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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66351: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:40:17 PM

Toppo specifically notes he isn't sure if he can beat Goku either, but if that's even in question then Goku stands no chance against Jiren.

I don't think Toppo being comparable to Goku was ever supposed to be in question.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66352: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:43:27 PM

And if they're being consistent about Blue Goku's ki not being able to be sensed, Toppo could only judge the form of Goku he actually fought.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66353: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:46:27 PM

Did Goku not use Kaioken in that fight? I thought he did at the end and Toppo was mostly okay, but that was just one attack. Am I remembering that wrong?

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#66354: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:47:00 PM

I'm pretty sure the idea of this arc was that Toppo is set up to be Goku's standard rival following a more natural Sorting Algorithm of Power until the Physical God Jiren comes in to completely shatter the algorithm and force Goku to go above and beyond his limits to jump a few tiers of power higher than he's ready for at the moment.

He doesn't use Kaioken until they face off. They prepare to fight but the Grand Preist says no. Also, I'd be surprised if Toppo's as strong as he is without any godly ki to sense Goku's.

edited 15th Oct '17 9:48:57 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66355: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:48:46 PM

[up][up] He powers up into it, but doesn't fight. So without ki-sensing, he can't be judged.

[up] Considering Toppo has yet to do anything I have no idea what his ultimate role will end up being.

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#66356: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:50:08 PM

I've had a theory for a while now that Jiren and Goku are going to KO each other and the ultimate final battle will be Gohan vs Toppo.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66357: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:54:07 PM

Right now Toppo seems like the harbinger, a common role in Dragon Ball: show up, be strong, but reveal that someone is even stronger that will be the next person to be focused on.

It makes the follow up more platable than if they showed up being that strong without another strong guy setting them up.

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#66358: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:57:32 PM

Like Tambourine, Goku Black (though technically the stronger fighter was still him), Dabura, and almost every character in the Saiyan/Namek arcs.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#66359: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:58:08 PM

[up][up] I believe that is indeed his role.

Jiren was originally gonna appear first but they decided to put in Toppo instead. Now its shown that the reason for the switch was to hype up Jiren.

edited 15th Oct '17 9:58:19 PM by slimcoder

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#66360: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:59:22 PM

Isn't Toppo training to be the nect U11 G.o.D? He might already be able to sense God ki.

edited 15th Oct '17 10:00:13 PM by Jedi1113

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66361: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:59:30 PM

Raditz and Trunks are probably the closest to Toppo, since they give out verbal warnings.

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#66362: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:02:51 PM

I'm sure Toppo and Jiren can sense godly ki and know how strong Goku is at a glance.

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#66363: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:06:19 PM

There are some fusions or other body alterations I wonder what the resulting character would be like. For example if Zamasu and Gowasu fused what kind of person would result? I could probably ask this about wildly different characters fusing for whatever reason, like Goku and Frieza

edited 15th Oct '17 10:07:31 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

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#66364: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:07:12 PM

One thing's for sure it'd be a very ugly color.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66365: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:11:47 PM

[up][up][up]based on...?

edited 15th Oct '17 10:31:24 PM by Saiga

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#66366: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:12:27 PM

Lime green + yellow?

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#66367: Oct 15th 2017 at 11:30:48 PM

Can I just mention how cool Goku casually relocating his own arm was? Not least of all because it was a pretty visceral injury for Dragon Ball Super.

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#66368: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:01:26 AM

Hit loses to Jiren but he least went down like champ and not a chump.

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#66369: Oct 16th 2017 at 10:57:45 AM

Right now Toppo seems like the harbinger, a common role in Dragon Ball: show up, be strong, but reveal that someone is even stronger that will be the next person to be focused on.

As far as the remainder of the tournament goes, I have to imagine Toppo will be doing the heavy lifting from here on since Jiren is back to meditating. And with Hit eliminated and Goku still weakened, the only other fighters arguably on par with him is Freeza and Vegeta.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66370: Oct 16th 2017 at 10:14:01 PM

So question; since the Goku vs Jiren fight was so fucking much like the Goku vs Frieza fight (Goku being pathetically weaker than his opponent, having to use the Kaioken x20 with his strongest state only to find out it's still not enough, using and failing with a Spirit Bomb that was used as a last resort, gaining a Deus ex Machina transformation that finally let's Goku rival/surpass his opponent), do you think that Ultra Instinct Omen is 50 times stronger than SSB, in keeping in line with the rest of the comparisons to the Goku vs Frieza fight, or do you think it goes beyond even that?

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#66371: Oct 16th 2017 at 10:29:55 PM

Well he always goes even further beyond...

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#66372: Oct 17th 2017 at 12:10:16 AM

Is this the first time Goku's gotten a new power-up without almost destroying the vocal cords of his voice actor/actress? tongue

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#66373: Oct 17th 2017 at 12:14:26 AM

[up] Depends, did she do the godzilla scream on her own?

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66374: Oct 17th 2017 at 2:08:04 AM

Super Saiyan isn't a Deus ex Machina, the transformation was built up to for half the fucking saga. Vegeta even explicitly tells us what it takes to trigger it if memory serves.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66375: Oct 17th 2017 at 3:20:45 AM

No he doesnt

Pretty much errthing he says is wrong

Could still qualify for dem, balance of propabilities

Doesnt make it bad tho


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