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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#66301: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:25:36 AM

I'm pretty sure Ribrianne is a Hate Sink, since we the audience need someone to hate during the Tournament of Power, and Frieza isn't helping (In fact, he has Pet the Dog at least 4 times now), and Frost is, well, erased. Maji Kayo, Napappa, and the crab guy, who were sadist, were taken out pretty quickly. And for one, I can't hate the Pride Troopers, they are honest on their heroism and wacky posing.

It makes sense they are using Ribrianne as the character you're not supposed to like.

Also, no one has commented on Frieza helping Goku out with his energy. I found it really, really odd, and I seriously hope is just Frieza being faux, since him becoming good would be terrible.

edited 15th Oct '17 9:27:21 AM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66302: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:28:28 AM

Frieza explained himself pretty well. It's in his own interest for Goku to get up and beat Jiren because he'd really rather not go up against Jiren himself.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66303: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:37:35 AM

Frieza sounded like he was plotting super hard when he told Goku about Ultra Instinct. I think he want to figure out how to get it himself.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#66304: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:45:29 AM

He will probably wait for Jiren to be thrown out so he can backstab Goku and get the wish from the Super Dragon Balls. Is the most simple solution to his master plan.

He is torturing Cabba on the preview... will he take him out of the ring?

edited 15th Oct '17 9:48:01 AM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#66305: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:46:07 AM

If Universe 2 was an Actual Pretty Cure World, they wouldn't be seen as a bad joke like they are now:

As an example.

Watch Symphogear
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#66306: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:46:31 AM

Gah, Bottom Paged.

Rolling it over.

If Universe 2 was an Actual Pretty Cure World, they wouldn't be seen as a bad joke like they are now:

As an example.

Watch Symphogear
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#66307: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:48:16 AM

Yeah Freeza was like "Yeah, I'm not getting anywhere near that Jiren motherfucker. You go and deal with him!"

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66308: Oct 15th 2017 at 9:58:11 AM

I mean after watching him, would you? Freeza is smart.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#66309: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:01:05 AM

It's weird how smart Freeza is this arc, since he was always more of a hot headed brute who would shoot himself in the foot due to his arrogance. Maybe the repeated failures had finally taught him caution.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66310: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:12:32 AM

There were a punch of people still willing to fight Jiren even after seeing what he was capable of. I actually thought it was a fairly powerful moment.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#66311: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:14:41 AM

Jiren could probably end this whole thing now if wanted? So doesn't he? Because the script said so? :p

35 year old white man.
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#66312: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:21:39 AM

I wish I knew of this yesterday.

edited 15th Oct '17 10:21:53 AM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66313: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:21:44 AM

Yeah. I agree that Frieza's suddenly pragmatism and restraint is uncharacteristic of him.

He only ever held back before so he could torture you worse, and his inability to just let go and leave Goku be continually shot him in the foot.

But now he's finally seemed to have learned his limits, and is much more cautious in his actions. It's like he's learned the same lesson Vegeta has about understanding where he is in the power scale before and is now trying to break out of it, rather than just assuming he's the top dog by default.

I imagine seeing someone like Jiren utterly wreck the guy who ultimately wrecked him, along with dying twice has finally taught him a modicum of humility and patience.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66314: Oct 15th 2017 at 10:46:30 AM

I mean, he's been killed twice simply because of Revenge Before Reason; at some point Freeza was probably like "Maybe I should rethink my methods a bit"

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66315: Oct 15th 2017 at 11:06:57 AM

It is a far cry from his old characterization, but it's a sensible direction to take his character in. He's had a long time to think about his defeats and how brute force failed him twice, so now he's become more cunning.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66316: Oct 15th 2017 at 11:13:37 AM

I do agree. It makes total sense for him to actually learn from past defeats, even if it hasn't dulled his desire for revenge.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#66317: Oct 15th 2017 at 11:44:40 AM

Yeah. I agree that Frieza's suddenly pragmatism and restraint is uncharacteristic of him.

At both Namek and in Resurrection 'F', Freeza believed (and not without good reason in the former case) that he was the top dog and untouchable. So he felt he had no reason to restrain himself and could do whatever he wanted without consequence.

It's worth noting that in Resurrection 'F', when he saw Beerus, whom he knows is more powerful than himself by a wide margin, he immediately dropped the haughty attitude.

In this situation, Freeza is among a bunch of Gods of Destruction, angels, and the Zen'Os themselves, all of whom are a great deal more powerful than him and he knows it. I think that's what's making him more careful, he knows that he'll be erased if he pisses any of them off and he knows there's not a damned thing he could do to defend himself if it came to that.

My guess as to his intentions at this point is to observe Goku in the "Ultra Instinct" state and try to learn how to do it himself. He got very interested when he saw how much that scared the gods, and it's certain that no one is ever going to train him in how to do it, so analyzing Goku is his best bet at this point.

edited 15th Oct '17 11:50:58 AM by DarkHunter

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#66318: Oct 15th 2017 at 11:54:01 AM

@Demon: I had been wondering if the first few episodes of Futari wa Pretty Cure were light and rather formulaic just to ease everyone into things. Now I have my answer. Thanks.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#66319: Oct 15th 2017 at 12:05:45 PM

I mean, he's been killed twice simply because of Revenge Before Reason; at some point Freeza was probably like "Maybe I should rethink my methods a bit"

He also spent the entirety of his second trip to his personal hell doing mental training, so it makes sense that he's finally mellowed out and learned to fight smarter.

Samaldin Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#66320: Oct 15th 2017 at 12:29:43 PM

On why Jiren doesn´t just end everything solo at this point, i´ve recently read a theory that basicly says Universe 11 is cheating. Jiren alone probably is a good fighter but the reason he is so much above everyone else is that Belmod is allowing Jiren to access his energy. Whenever Jiren meditates he fills himself back up wit Belmods energy, that would explain his restraint. Also it could explain why Belmod seems to have a telepatic link with Jiren. and why would Belod go with Toppo as his successor? Why not take Jiren if he is that much stronger and as a member of the same organisation as Toppo also fits the same character requierments.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66321: Oct 15th 2017 at 12:39:18 PM

Hmm.

Do you think the Pride Troopers would do something like that?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66323: Oct 15th 2017 at 12:47:01 PM

Something like that would come straight out of nowhere, but doesn't mean they wouldn't do it to be "clever". I'm not going to be that cynical though.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#66325: Oct 15th 2017 at 12:59:24 PM

I think the whole "No Sell the opponent's strongest attack" thing kind of explains' whats up with Jiren's character. He doesn't give a shit at all if opponents are too weak to him.

Heck, he seems to be more in for the wish than universal destruction thing .-.

edited 15th Oct '17 12:59:37 PM by SpookyMask


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