Oh. Right. Duh. I have no idea how I missed that.
It makes complete sense with Saiyan Beyond God. Your argument loses ground with each passing episode, especially when the Freeza/Gohan episode should've been the final nail in the coffin.
You have one conclusion that makes no sense, and another conclusion that makes a great deal of sense, and yet you insist that the former must be correct out of spite. You favor the conclusion that is less logical and consistent because you don't like Super and you want to keep saying that the show is illogical and inconsistent.
It's exactly like all the people endlessly parroting "Power Levels are bullshit" from Team Four Star. They say it just because they want Power Levels in Dragon Ball to be bullshit, not because they actually are.
edited 14th Oct '17 6:49:54 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
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Not really. "This person is stronger than this one, so they'll win" is still in play. The PTO's weakness was that they'd take their scouter readings as the final answer, without considering things such as power repression or power-boosting techniques.
I think Vegeta fighting dirty against Zarbon the second time around is the final time someone with a lower max power level triumphs over a stronger opponent, in fact.
edited 14th Oct '17 7:01:28 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!You're missing something extremely crucial here - I'm not saying lack of SBG makes more, or any, sense. I'm disputing the idea that the power scaling makes sense with SBG.
The later episodes aren't doing anything to change that. Yes, no SBG clearly doesn't work with them, but that's not what I'm debating about.
And please, don't assume what my motivations are. That's completely unproductive. As I've said before, I was behind the 'two base' theory (since that's more accurate than just saying SBG, SBG could exist without two bases) - it was the first way I tried to rationalize the Universe 6 arc. I didn't like Super then any more than I do now. It was only as Super continued that I felt the two-base theory was insufficient to cover the power scaling issues, and that the sheer lack of the show attempting to explain or acknowledgement made it unlikely to be a concrete thing.
At best, the two base theory exits and is just handled incredibly poorly. I would actually be completely fine with the two base theory (my ideal would be to just have SBG and plot things not to require Goku/Vegeta to be back to their 'pre-God' levels) if it were explained and consistent.
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Pushover isn't talking about numerical power level measurements, but the general idea of how ki compares. Even when the numbers got dropped, the idea of measuring ki and raising it didn't go anywhere.
edited 14th Oct '17 7:00:17 PM by Saiga
Anyways, this was a really good episode. Rozie slapping Ribrianne was such a magical girl thing and I loved it. Dunno what y'all are talking about, Ribrianne is a beautiful hearted angel warrior fighting for love, and the Kamikaze Fireballs are an Affectionate Parody at most.
Hit vs Jiren was incredibly awesome and surprisingly suspenseful. The animation wasn't as jaw-dropping as in the special, but it was still noticeably great. Hit's last resort was really awesome for him, and perfectly established the absurd lengths of Jiren's power.
Interesting that the U6 Namekians didn't get a proper introduction and it looks like they're going to be fighting Gohan and Piccolo for the next few episodes. Really looking forward to next episode to see more of them, as well as Monna fighting. I'm curious to see why Vegeta's in Blue in the NEP. Maybe Monna's way stronger than we thought or there's someone else to watch out for.
edited 14th Oct '17 7:25:39 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Hit gets eliminated and Ribrianne is still an Elimination Houdini. Everything I wanted.
I can forsee Jiren prematurely breaking his meditation if and when Toppo and Dypso get eliminated.
edited 14th Oct '17 7:26:23 PM by Lionheart0
On Saiga's and Pushover's latest debate (which they've had before), at the very least I think Saiga explains his reasoning a lot better.
And, yeah, Jiren still not really having much a personality. I said that Jiren beating Hit isn't automatically The Worf Effect, and I still think that, but I could have done without all the "Jiren is so powerful even TIME can't stop him!" We get it, he's strong.
He's a Generic Doomsday Villain at this point, except he's not a villain. The character is literally nothing but his power level lol.
Hell, we're actually just stalling time before Goku beats him at this rate...
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

So 6 has lost their two strongest. Their only hope is probably the Saiyagals now. This makes me think my guess that the characters on that calendar are the big players in the climax might just be right.