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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#66201: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:01:53 PM

So 6 has lost their two strongest. Their only hope is probably the Saiyagals now. This makes me think my guess that the characters on that calendar are the big players in the climax might just be right.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66202: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:14:38 PM

But Hit's the only one that's been eliminated...

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#66203: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:15:45 PM

[up] They lost Hit and Frost. Or is that a joke about how Frost doesn't exist anymore?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66204: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:18:23 PM

Their other strongest was Dr. Rota.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66205: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:19:11 PM

Is Frost even their second strongest? He was only called that before Cabba could become a Super Saiyan, and he's really weak compared to Super Saiyan Goku.

Actually wait yeah Kale and Caulifa should both be significantly stronger than him now.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#66206: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:19:52 PM

I thought they were referring to Hit and Magetta. Also, what a surprise, power-scaling still makes no sense if you ignore Saiyan Beyond God.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66207: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:36:55 PM

That's right. It makes no sense with SBG, but it still makes no sense if you ignore it.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#66208: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:38:07 PM

[up] You got that sentence backwards.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66209: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:41:17 PM

no see my joke had to be worded that way to play off the wording of PMC's post.

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#66210: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:48:15 PM

[up] Oh. Right. Duh. I have no idea how I missed that.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#66211: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:48:39 PM

It makes complete sense with Saiyan Beyond God. Your argument loses ground with each passing episode, especially when the Freeza/Gohan episode should've been the final nail in the coffin.

You have one conclusion that makes no sense, and another conclusion that makes a great deal of sense, and yet you insist that the former must be correct out of spite. You favor the conclusion that is less logical and consistent because you don't like Super and you want to keep saying that the show is illogical and inconsistent.

It's exactly like all the people endlessly parroting "Power Levels are bullshit" from Team Four Star. They say it just because they want Power Levels in Dragon Ball to be bullshit, not because they actually are.

edited 14th Oct '17 6:49:54 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#66212: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:53:47 PM

Wasn't at least part of the point of power levels to show that the PTO guys relied on them too much? Accordingly, they're dropped as soon as any and all Frieza-related business is concluded.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#66213: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:56:44 PM

Hey, next episode we're going to finally see Monna fight! Anyone else excited for that?

...

No? Only me?

...

Okay then.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66214: Oct 14th 2017 at 6:58:51 PM

[up][up]Not really. "This person is stronger than this one, so they'll win" is still in play. The PTO's weakness was that they'd take their scouter readings as the final answer, without considering things such as power repression or power-boosting techniques.

I think Vegeta fighting dirty against Zarbon the second time around is the final time someone with a lower max power level triumphs over a stronger opponent, in fact.

edited 14th Oct '17 7:01:28 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#66215: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:00:02 PM

You're missing something extremely crucial here - I'm not saying lack of SBG makes more, or any, sense. I'm disputing the idea that the power scaling makes sense with SBG.

The later episodes aren't doing anything to change that. Yes, no SBG clearly doesn't work with them, but that's not what I'm debating about.

And please, don't assume what my motivations are. That's completely unproductive. As I've said before, I was behind the 'two base' theory (since that's more accurate than just saying SBG, SBG could exist without two bases) - it was the first way I tried to rationalize the Universe 6 arc. I didn't like Super then any more than I do now. It was only as Super continued that I felt the two-base theory was insufficient to cover the power scaling issues, and that the sheer lack of the show attempting to explain or acknowledgement made it unlikely to be a concrete thing.

At best, the two base theory exits and is just handled incredibly poorly. I would actually be completely fine with the two base theory (my ideal would be to just have SBG and plot things not to require Goku/Vegeta to be back to their 'pre-God' levels) if it were explained and consistent.

[up][up][up] Pushover isn't talking about numerical power level measurements, but the general idea of how ki compares. Even when the numbers got dropped, the idea of measuring ki and raising it didn't go anywhere.[nja]

edited 14th Oct '17 7:00:17 PM by Saiga

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#66216: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:22:12 PM

Will someone please punch this monster out of the ring?

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
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#66217: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:23:29 PM

Anyways, this was a really good episode. Rozie slapping Ribrianne was such a magical girl thing and I loved it. Dunno what y'all are talking about, Ribrianne is a beautiful hearted angel warrior fighting for love, and the Kamikaze Fireballs are an Affectionate Parody at most.

Hit vs Jiren was incredibly awesome and surprisingly suspenseful. The animation wasn't as jaw-dropping as in the special, but it was still noticeably great. Hit's last resort was really awesome for him, and perfectly established the absurd lengths of Jiren's power.

Interesting that the U6 Namekians didn't get a proper introduction and it looks like they're going to be fighting Gohan and Piccolo for the next few episodes. Really looking forward to next episode to see more of them, as well as Monna fighting. I'm curious to see why Vegeta's in Blue in the NEP. Maybe Monna's way stronger than we thought or there's someone else to watch out for.

edited 14th Oct '17 7:25:39 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#66218: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:23:55 PM

wild mass guess Jiren gets ringed out because he trips over one of the Invisibugs. wild mass guess

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#66219: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:24:40 PM

Hit gets eliminated and Ribrianne is still an Elimination Houdini. Everything I wanted.

[down] I can forsee Jiren prematurely breaking his meditation if and when Toppo and Dypso get eliminated.

edited 14th Oct '17 7:26:23 PM by Lionheart0

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66220: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:24:40 PM

Is there anyone that can even possibly EVEN TOUCH Jiren the Gray? Let alone defeat him?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#66221: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:25:59 PM

Well following story convention Goku once he masters Ultra Instinct.

Though Toriyama is a contrarian so Goku might not even win.

Hell by that logic Jiren might go undefeated.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66222: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:30:15 PM

I wonder who's gonna catch that reference?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66223: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:30:57 PM

On Saiga's and Pushover's latest debate (which they've had before), at the very least I think Saiga explains his reasoning a lot better.

And, yeah, Jiren still not really having much a personality. I said that Jiren beating Hit isn't automatically The Worf Effect, and I still think that, but I could have done without all the "Jiren is so powerful even TIME can't stop him!" We get it, he's strong.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66224: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:32:21 PM

He's a Generic Doomsday Villain at this point, except he's not a villain. The character is literally nothing but his power level lol.

Hell, we're actually just stalling time before Goku beats him at this rate...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66225: Oct 14th 2017 at 7:33:10 PM

That being said, I did legitimately enjoy the fight.


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