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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#66051: Oct 12th 2017 at 3:48:55 AM

To be fair, it should be a surprising considering the kind of series that this is. It was only a matter of time before Hit loses to a new rival to establish how strong the rival is.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#66052: Oct 12th 2017 at 4:46:12 AM

To be fair. It says It says Hit loses, not eliminated. Gokus lost too.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66053: Oct 12th 2017 at 4:52:14 AM

No, they say Universe 6 loses him. Not that he lost.

It sucks, but it is what it is, The Worf Effect is too real.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#66054: Oct 12th 2017 at 4:58:04 AM

Welp.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#66055: Oct 12th 2017 at 5:26:52 AM

[up] It was bound to happen sooner or later and Dragon Ball had always done this.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66056: Oct 12th 2017 at 5:31:23 AM

I feel it was less to make Jiren look strong, but to focus on the saiyans.

So yes, even in another universe, the saiyans are who matter in the end.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#66057: Oct 12th 2017 at 6:04:06 AM

I mean, he steps up to the guy that just smashed Goku into the dirt. Whoever that is, Hit or otherwise, isn't going to fare better.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#66058: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:09:19 AM

To be honest, it doesn't surprise me.

The calender did have Goku, Jiren, Kale, Caulifla, Damon and Ribrianne, but no Hit.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66059: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:10:18 AM

The way people apply it The Worf Effect has basically become as useful as Mary Sue.

How does Hit being defeated by Jiren mean he's being worfed when it's already established that Jiren can handle someone way stronger than Hit? It's not worfing for a character that has already been established to be stronger than basically everyone else to actually beat other people.

They're supposed to be eliminating each other in this tournament. That's not a "Dragon Ball thing" it's an obvious thing. Stronger characters beat weaker characters. How shocking and illogical.

edited 12th Oct '17 7:14:33 AM by LSBK

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66061: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:12:37 AM

Anime fandom really ran the whole "jobbing" term into the ground.

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#66062: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:27:07 AM

Boo at Hit going down to the doorstop that is Jiren even if we all knew it was coming. Hopefully he puts in some work before the inevitable.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66063: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:28:23 AM

My main issue is that it's the same people saying the same thing, over and over again without regard for context or logic.

Like, Did you expect Hit to win? To never be eliminated? He's had a very good showing so far, what else do you want?

edited 12th Oct '17 7:29:11 AM by LSBK

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#66064: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:53:18 AM

I knew Hit was screwed the moment the episode title was revealed. It's just common sense really. But I'm still expecting Hit to reveal something about Jiren before he goes down.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66065: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:14:49 AM

People don't like seeing their favorite characters mistreated, and losing is often seen as disrespectful towards a character.

Yes, it's illogical and stupid, but it's mostly a kneejerk and emotional reaction, there's no logic behind it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66066: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:19:18 AM

I kinda gotta agree here. At the very least Hit established his power before hand, which makes him losing to Jiren, who just defeated a powered up version of the guy Hit struggled with (and arguably hasn't officially beaten) believable, especially since Dyspo showed how to beat the time skip too.

The Worf Effect is for when a character who is supposed to be strong (or considered strong by the narrative) does nothing but get beat, thereby making their strength an Informed Ability. Hit hasn't really done that.

In fact, Jobber would probably be a more appropriate term for what we are talking about, and even that doesn't match completely.

edited 12th Oct '17 8:21:00 AM by HandsomeRob

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66067: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:23:54 AM

And ya know, fans always treat characters who lose as a Memetic Loser.

If you lose, you're considered a jibber and loser for life. Its Second Place Is for Losers applied to the entire medium. People mostly favor winners.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66068: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:26:53 AM

Pretty much. I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do to make the story work, but it can still be frustrating for fans of a character to watch their favourite always lose, and then see other people latch on to that and rip on them at every opportunity.

And I'm not just saying this in regards to everyone's favourite desert bandit either. It can happen in a lot of series when characters tend to lose a lot, especially if their considered main characters.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#66069: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:28:55 AM

[up][up][up]I thought the Worf Effect was when a character established as super strong is beaten by the new hotness to show off how much of a threat they are. That would be separate from being a "Worf", where its done so much to one character they lose their credibility.

edited 12th Oct '17 8:29:01 AM by Moth13

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#66070: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:30:37 AM

Should hero winners be considered...overrated?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66071: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:33:17 AM

[up][up]That still wouldn't apply here; Everyone else here is weaker than Goku with Ultra Instinct, whom Jiren still fought evenly with and won out over. Having Jiren beat characters weaker than that (i.e. everyone) doesn't show him as being even stronger.

And if the The Worf Effect is "strong character beats strong character to show strength" it's still pretty worthless as a trope, even if it is being used right.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66072: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:37:11 AM

I like to laugh at fans when their boi loses and they complain now. It's all too tiresome to treat them any other way.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#66073: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:38:59 AM

But seriously, I kind of wish Jiren had wiped out most of the other competitors first. It's odd that we're reaching the "climax" with only two universes gone.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66074: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:41:01 AM

I honestly expected Hit to be among the top 3, so him going out now is surprising.

It effectively means U6 is on borrowed time.

edited 12th Oct '17 8:41:18 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66075: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:41:27 AM

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And the only two universes we saw anything of beyond 6 and 7 either.

I like to laugh at fans when their boi loses and they complain now. It's all too tiresome to treat them any other way.

Judge not, lest ye be judged my friend. Or rather, laugh not when someone's fave gets beaten, lest you be laughed at when your fave is beaten.

Not that I can blame you, but still.

edited 12th Oct '17 8:46:28 AM by HandsomeRob

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