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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65826: Oct 9th 2017 at 1:38:04 PM

Man I hope we find out more about Jiren's backstory.

I'm even hoping they do the obligatory shonen antagonist backstory that can last for an episode or two.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#65828: Oct 9th 2017 at 1:55:18 PM

I'm sure they'll talk about it at least a little but right now I'd settle for anything resembling a personality.

This song needs more love.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65829: Oct 9th 2017 at 1:58:16 PM

I meant to say that instead. Personality is more important in this case because the guy is nothing but his power level.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65830: Oct 9th 2017 at 2:02:09 PM

Empty Shell could be an interesting twist on what Jiren has been so far.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65831: Oct 9th 2017 at 2:02:41 PM

Pathos, logos, something, anything.

There doing the same thing with Hit only making him more stoic & more badass-arm-folding. It was alright when they first did it with Hit but now its lazy cause you need fucking variety cause every rival can't be a stoic badass-arm-folder

Seriously he's a superhero, how can you fudge that up? The template has been refined & perfected for over 50 years.

[up] Well that's something at least.

edited 9th Oct '17 2:09:01 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#65832: Oct 9th 2017 at 2:08:06 PM

Maybe Jiren was created by Belmond wants to wish for a heart or soul? :p

35 year old white man.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65833: Oct 9th 2017 at 2:11:26 PM

That's better than literally everything shown of Jiren so far.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#65834: Oct 9th 2017 at 2:54:04 PM

I dunno, knowing Toriyama, I'm half expecting Jiren to be Universe 11's version of Suppaman from Dr. Slump, except with actual super powers.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65835: Oct 9th 2017 at 2:56:44 PM

I'm looking around other websites and I see mixed opinions on Jiren, which means there are people that like him just from what they saw in the newest episodes. Some of their favorable interpretations are admittedly interesting, but they remain only that. I wish I could see the things these people did though.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65836: Oct 9th 2017 at 2:59:31 PM

If someone only care about power levels I understand why they would like Jiren. That or all the "tall, brooding, and mysterious" stuff is enough for a lot of people. There's a reason the archetype gets used so much.

edited 9th Oct '17 3:13:04 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65837: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:03:42 PM

NVM.

edited 9th Oct '17 3:05:27 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65838: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:03:44 PM

NVM.

edited 9th Oct '17 3:05:27 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65839: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:04:54 PM

Uh did I make a double post?

Cause I think my computer is fucking up & making it look like a double post.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65840: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:04:57 PM

Uh did I make a double post?

Cause I think my computer is fucking up & making it look like a double post.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65841: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:09:50 PM

That or all the "tall, brooding, and mystery" stuff is enough for a lot of people.

That's all I'm seeing really. People calling Jiren an unknown force of nature, a refreshing change of pace from previous antagonists, even a horror movie villain. They all have the same base that you described.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65842: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:11:40 PM

Maybe they intend to flesh him out with revealing what his wish is. Assuming it's not just "find a worthy opponent" which it very well could be.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65843: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:14:31 PM

If that was the intent, and it was brought across better, it'd be workable for me.

But that doesn't seem like the kind of thing to end up on a Sentai team.

I did find the idea of Jiren's personality being very amuable and his stoicness and lack of focus is just to hide that for the moment, but that's super unlikely.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65844: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:15:47 PM

I'm curious how Jiren ended up on this team.

Especially since he's not very big on the whole Sentai deal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#65845: Oct 9th 2017 at 3:31:55 PM

I heard a theory recently that Jiren's wife was actually a part of the Pride Troopers and he wasn't, but then she died in battle and he took her place to honor he memory. Then, he trained himself to become incredibly strong so he could one day get a chance to avenge her.

Also, this would make his wish in the To P to bring her back to life.

...Yeah idk.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#65846: Oct 9th 2017 at 4:04:08 PM

Did anyone find the telepathic convo weird? Like he had to issue Jiren specific instructions to get him to actually do something. It felt even weirder with the reveal Jiren does have a wish cuz he has shown no effort or drive to do anything until told.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#65847: Oct 9th 2017 at 4:08:44 PM

[up] I was getting kefka/fear toxin joker vibes from that scene.... And here I thought he wouldn't be having any scary clown momments.

Really the only two hints we've had at Jiren as a character was the mental conversation he had with Bermuda.... and his reason for letting goku charge the Spirit Bomb. On one hand he comes off as someone indept or loyal to his Go D on the other he seems to have the same sort of respect for special moves that his other Pride troopers have.

My only theory so far is that originally The Pride Troopers were AGAINST the Go D of their world, and Jirens sheer power settled the fight and forced them to work together, and for that Jiren Became an honorary Pride Trooper and Bermudas sparing partner.

On a different note, I only noticed during this two parter, but what's going on with the Angels from eliminated universes, you'd think they'd have reacted to Gokus new form at least. I mostly noticed because I realized we haven't seen anything of Cus since she started mourning.

edited 9th Oct '17 4:10:17 PM by TwistedGear

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#65848: Oct 9th 2017 at 4:09:21 PM

My guess is that Jiren plans to use the Super Dragon Balls to wish for a personality.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65849: Oct 9th 2017 at 4:11:07 PM

I can't tell if Jiren's lack of a personality is on purpose for a big reveal or they literally can't be bothered to give him one.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65850: Oct 9th 2017 at 4:29:11 PM

Maybe he sold his soul in exchange for power. I do like the idea of him just being a hollow shell possessing little will and being led about by Belmond. Whatever the reason, hopefully it's interesting.


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