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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65776: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:03:25 PM

Frieza's attitude, I think, is Pragmatic Villainy. I doubt he'll actually betray the team during the tournament. Obviously he'll still try and stack things in his favor and take notes for later, but no outright treachery. After all, the only way he can return to life is either getting the Super Dragonballs, which is a long shot and there are bigger things that his resurrection he could wish for, or Goku following up on his promise. I think he's playing the long game here

I realize that even though the Earth Dragonballs can't wish him back since they already revived him, he could still wish to go to the Namekian Dragonballs. He hasn't been dead for more than a year, so they would revive him. Though that's going to take some wording to keep him on a leash. I see it like this

On Earth

  • Frieza: Shenron, I wish to come back to life!
  • Shenron: That wish cannot be granted. I cannot grant the same wish twice
  • Vegeta: *laughs his ass off*
  • Frieza: *twitching* heh...be careful Vegeta, there are other ways for me to return. Shenron, I wish to be transported to the Namekian Dragonballs-
  • Beerus: With everyone around you

On New Namek

  • Frieza: At last I...*looks around him* what are you doing here?
  • Beerus: Did you honestly think you could sneak away from me?
  • Vegeta: Besides, you know you can't access them without the password
  • Frieza: My men made sure to figure out the Namekian language just for this occasion. *speaks in Namekian* Porunga, awaken! I wish to return to life!
  • Porunga: Your wish is granted (Frieza's halo disappears)
  • Beerus: Porunga, my second wish is that the Dragonballs no longer respond to Frieza. My third wish is that we are transported back to Earth
  • Frieza: *expression reads "you Magnificent Bastard"*

edited 8th Oct '17 7:03:48 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#65777: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:12:23 PM

Ya know, they've been giving Gohan a lot of focus in the merchandising and I can't help but be suspicious of it.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65778: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:16:54 PM

Again, the full OP has Goku as the singer tell someone to "light that fire inside of them", "break through the sadness", and "fight, because you're a fighter too" in what's referred to as "the climax scene", and I can't help but think of Gohan because all three of those apply perfectly to him. Who else would need encouragement to light a familiar fire inside themselves, break through sadness, and need to be reminded that they're a fighter, too?

edited 8th Oct '17 7:18:34 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65779: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:17:39 PM

Gohan does have more potential than Goku after all.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65780: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:18:35 PM

I mean, probably, though at this point you have to wonder how effective constantly rehashing the same things with him are going to be.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65781: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:19:07 PM

Which will never be tapped, because Toriyama doesn't want write Gohan...even though he doesn't want to develop Goku either.

One Strip! One Strip!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#65782: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:30:53 PM

[up][up] This is Dragon Ball Super man, rehashing nostalgia is what we're all about.

[up] Can you stop with the defeatist tone whenever this subject arises, it's kind tiring now.

edited 8th Oct '17 7:31:39 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65783: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:33:29 PM

Yeah, Rob, there's a line between sardonic and genuine pessimism, and you've been edging it for a while.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#65784: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:36:19 PM

How the hell does Spirit Bomb work? Does it amplify contributed energy? Even with Frieza, I call shenanigans on the combined energy of scrubs like Roshi, Krillin and Tien, and to a lesser extent the Androids, being able to contribute enough for Goku's Spirit Bomb to be strong enough that Jiren actually has to try to repel it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65785: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:39:51 PM

Well, remember that the Spirit Bomb also takes a minute amount of energy from everything in the vicinity, including all the Hakaishin, Angels, and Zen-Oh. Just because you don't give a lot of energy to it doesn't mean you didn't give any energy.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65786: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:41:23 PM

It's either that or get everyone else in the ring to also donate for some reason. Or just not do it, but I guess that wasn't in the cards.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65787: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:42:52 PM

Yeah that was silly. The Genki Dama originally had all of that except Freeza, plus more, and it still wasn't enough to use against Pure Boo until the Earthlings started contributing. And they're in the world of void so can't even use the genki from nearby planets and shit

But I expected that. Just ignore the idea that the Genki Dama was ever going to be worth anything.

edited 8th Oct '17 7:43:17 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#65788: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:45:01 PM

Technically it runs on genki, not actual ki. The former is something that everything in existence possesses, including celestial bodies, while ki is only possessed by living creatures.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65789: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:45:17 PM

In their defense it was energy from 8 of the most powerful people in a universe.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65790: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:47:58 PM

[up] so was the initial Genki Dama that would not have worked against Boo

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65791: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:49:55 PM

I mean, I could maybe buy it getting that big if they were giving most of their energy, but none of them seemed even winded afterwards.

edited 8th Oct '17 7:50:11 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65792: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:50:34 PM

[up] Yeah thats true.

This was weird.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#65793: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:51:09 PM

I mean, the Spirit Bomb that was made was also just as large as the Super Spirit Bomb Goku made against Kid Buu, so he obviously got a massive amount of energy from all of his teammates, sans Vegeta.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65794: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:54:21 PM

But their isn't an appreciable difference in his teammates (other than Freeza) and the version against Boo did have them use most of their power - Kibitoshin couldn't even teleport afterwards.

Here, it doesn't look they used enough power to exhaust themselves.

edited 8th Oct '17 7:54:57 PM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65795: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:57:16 PM

I mean, it wouldn't have been a bad idea for some of the other non-Universe-7 fighters to contribute to the Spirit Bomb. Jiren's continued presence is basically a win condition for Universe 11, so it'd make more sense to help Goku eliminate him with a one-off technique now and then pick off Goku himself later.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65796: Oct 8th 2017 at 7:59:01 PM

[up][up]It did? Huh, I don't remember that. I remember most people of Earth being close to death, but not our "heroes".

Well then, I guess there's no getting around it being as nonsensical as I thought it was. Still, good episodes for the most part.

edited 8th Oct '17 8:00:22 PM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#65797: Oct 8th 2017 at 8:22:45 PM

All our heroes have way more energy to give because of their offscreen training, so that's why it works. Shush. Don't worry about it.

That special had some gooooood music. Like, dang.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65798: Oct 8th 2017 at 8:40:41 PM

Must mean they're collectively several times more powerful than Jiren, given that Gohan was more powerful than Pure Boo but they couldn't just rely on Gohan's genki to do it.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#65799: Oct 8th 2017 at 8:52:22 PM

[up]In retrospect, that was probably the early warning sign of Gohan's incoming tracksuit disease that he caught during his stay in the afterlife.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65800: Oct 8th 2017 at 9:02:32 PM

Actually that reminds me. Anyone find it weird that they use a tracksuit to show Gohan being out of fighting/uncool but then gave 18 a tracksuit to signify her return to fighting/tried to make it sound cool?

Maybe Toriyama just likes tracksuits.


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