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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#65751: Oct 8th 2017 at 3:35:39 PM

No that Krillin's wish; doesn't help that if we count GT, his daughter grows a nose by her teens.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65752: Oct 8th 2017 at 3:37:13 PM

At this point I don't think how strong Toppo is actually matters. Frankly, with Jiren apparently being this strong it brings up the question of what was the point of "conserving energy" all this time? He likely could have wiped out everyone else on the field without breaking a sweat. Not a lot of energy to be wasted by him.

Even against Goku he doesn't actually seem to be particularly hurt, even if that was because Goku ran out of time, it's still impressive.

Also, have to say, I'm glad this didn't turn into a Curb-Stomp Battle after the transformation.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65753: Oct 8th 2017 at 3:44:42 PM

I'm hoping that when Toonami eventually gets to this part in a years time or so they keep it a two parter.

I"m pretty sure Kai will be over by then.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65754: Oct 8th 2017 at 3:48:55 PM

[up][up] I'm going to guess it's because he's more interested in finding a worthy opponent than winning the tournament.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#65755: Oct 8th 2017 at 3:50:25 PM

My point is that Toppo is still the third strongest fighter in this tournament. If Goku and Jiren go down to each other, Toppo will be the one to look out for.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65756: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:40:59 PM

Frankly, with Jiren apparently being this strong it brings up the question of what was the point of "conserving energy" all this time? He likely could have wiped out everyone else on the field without breaking a sweat. Not a lot of energy to be wasted by him.

Saiga beat me to it with his comment that Jiren might be waiting for a worthy opponent, but lets also consider that there are a lot of unknown variables at play in this tournament. Sure, we the audience know that pretty much no one can touch Jiren because he has a higher ki than anyone clearly, but Jiren, Toppo and the rest of Universe 11 don't know that. Conserving his energy for the latter parts of the battle while getting a feel for who the most dangerous players are ensures that when he goes on his justice rampage, he's rampaging at full health, without fear of any unknown quantities....

...is what I want to say, but we all know he did it because the plot said so.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#65757: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:47:53 PM

There are more strategies here than taking out Jiren by the way. Despite having Jiren the Pride Troopers are very much in last place, so it's just as viable to try to knock out the next most dangerous people and then play keep-away from Jiren until the buzzer sounds, and the Pride Troopers would still lose.

edited 8th Oct '17 4:48:05 PM by HamburgerTime

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#65758: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:49:37 PM

[up] That wouldn't work under basically any condition. The more powerful you are, the faster you are That's always how Dragon Ball's worked. As such, Jiren is not only the most powerful fighter there, he's also the fastest. There's no way most fighters could play keep away without being stronger than him.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65759: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:51:21 PM

[up][up] Plus after Goku, the next most dangerous is Toppo. If Goku/Vegeta/Hit get taken out, Dyspo and Toppo would probably stay in to the end and everyone else would just get cleaned out.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65760: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:51:52 PM

Although now I'm curious if the entire point of the two guys from Universe 4 who are invisible/too small to see/whatever is to basically stay hidden so that no matter what else happens, they'll have at least two on until the end. So they're not even supposed to try and fight.

edited 8th Oct '17 4:52:54 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65761: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:52:47 PM

Yeah, I had just considered the same. But that would require every other universe to be reduced to 1 fighter which is a silly thing to bank on.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65762: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:54:26 PM

Not necessarily. They don't have to be planning on losing all their other members, just trying to do something that will drastically increase their odds of keeping at least two. It would be foolish to go into this whole thing expecting no one on your side to be rung out.

It's not a guarantee of anything, but it's fairly clever. Assuming that is what they're going for, that is.

edited 8th Oct '17 4:55:20 PM by LSBK

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#65763: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:55:22 PM

Imagine Jiren standing on top of the time measuring column and the just cutting off parts of the arena bit by bit until there's nowhere left to stand but on the column... and good luck playing King of the Hill with Jiren.

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#65764: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:56:41 PM

I'm guessing the mundane descriptions for the next episodes are going to take on a more frantic and sinister tone now. Hit's probably going to hold off Jiren for an episode or two. Cabba "helping his team" is specifically stopping some of the other fighters from interfering in Hit and Jiren's battle. The U3 robots decide that Goku is too dangerous and take advantage of his weakened state to ko him. Caulifla and Kale step in to help Goku get back on his feet so he can fight Jiren. While all this is happening, Hit, Freeza, Gohan, Ribrianne, 17, and/or Vegeta are holding the line against Jiren the unstoppable force until Goku can recover enough to use Ultra Instinct again.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65765: Oct 8th 2017 at 4:57:32 PM

[up][up] Huh that actually sounds pretty likely.

Especially since the arena is breakable.

edited 8th Oct '17 4:57:45 PM by slimcoder

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#65766: Oct 8th 2017 at 5:08:47 PM

Strongest doesn't always equal fastest in DB. Even with the Pride Troopers, Dyspo is the fastest, Jiren is the strongest. The Ginyus as well - the Captain is the strongest, Burter is the fastest.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65767: Oct 8th 2017 at 5:12:47 PM

Ginyu is faster than Butta. Butta couldn't even see Goku's movements, unlike Ginyu who kept pace with Goku without even using his full power.

Dyspo may not be faster than Jiren, if he is it's not in a practical sense as he's linear enough that he can be reactex to. Jiren was able to strike SSB Goku multiple times without anyone seeing.

There are people who are particularly fast for their power, but speed is still linear with power as a general rule. And Jiren's waaaaay too powerful for anyone to stay away from him.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65768: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:37:11 PM

Also interesting to hear what Goku's been thinking about what he'd do with the wish.

I wonder if Ribrianne's wish is supposed to be seen as secretly insidious or not. She basically wants to force everyone to love her.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65769: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:41:23 PM

Ginyu was definitely faster than Burter. He just let him call himself the fastest in the universe because he's a nice guy.

[up]That's kind of funny considering people were discussing whether or not she should be considered a Scrappy a few pages back.

edited 8th Oct '17 6:42:16 PM by Hobgoblin

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65770: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:43:10 PM

IT was kind of nice for Goku to consider his family before his own desires.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#65771: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:47:30 PM

Some new toy leaks: a set of four new figures touted as the Tournament of Power Climax Arc. They are Hit, Gohan, Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku (both this figure and his new Dokkan card are adding the "Omen" part, so it may not be the final version of this new form), and a mysterious silhouetted figure. The text says that the silhouette may not reflect what the character actually looks like, but it also confirms that this figure is an entirely new character.

Also, a neat thing some people have noticed: Ultra Instinct Goku's color scheme is heavily reminiscent of a black hole. Fitting, since that's the form the Spirit Bomb was in when he fell into it.

edited 8th Oct '17 6:51:43 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65772: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:49:39 PM

Looks like a skinny Jiren. Final form, or relative possibly

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65773: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:49:48 PM

[up]

The head design makes me think of a skinnier member of Jiren's race.

As for Goku wanting to use the wish for his family, all he wants is to fight to his hearts content, and since he gets that without the need to have a wish, I'm not too shocked he'd default to letting others have it.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#65774: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:53:27 PM

Regarding the "Omen" part being added, remember that red Super Saiyan-looking form that was on a piece of merchandise a while back? I'm thinking that's what happens when Ultra Instinct is combined with Super Saiyan Blue.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#65775: Oct 8th 2017 at 6:57:39 PM

A similar thought had crossed my mind, since "Omen" is just Goku using Ultra Instinct while running on Black Hole Spirit Bomb energy, maybe the orange-haired form (or something completely different but working under the same principle) is Goku using Ultra Instinct in conjunction with one of his Super Saiyan forms.

edited 8th Oct '17 6:58:23 PM by PushoverMediaCritic


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