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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#65701: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:22:50 AM

She's pretty much a joke character who overstayed her welcome.

I think that's the heart of it more than anything else. It'd be one thing if the plot was treating her as a serious threat, but so far none of the main cast has actually taken her seriously. Vegeta got squicked, Android 17 decided to humor her, and Goku was more or less completely indifferent. The fact that she keeps avoiding elimination and continuing the same gag is the head scratcher.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65702: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:25:30 AM

Well, that was fucking amazing. Animation, fighting, reactions, music, everything. Now I kind of feel everything else is probably going to be a huge let down because I'm going to keep comparing it to this.

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#65703: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:25:51 AM

Makes you wonder how strong Ultra Instinct goku is compared to SSB Vegito.

Probably stronger. I bet even Blue vegito wouldn't do much to Jiren.

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#65704: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:34:15 AM

This does indeed make me wonder how do Merged Zamasu, Vegetto Blue, Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku compare. Although we need to consider that Ultra Instinct might have actually lasted for shorter time than the fusion. Well, we won't know for sure until Goku enters the form without help of a spirit bomb, and instead fuel the power on his own.

I am procastrinating, but not excessively I think.
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#65705: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:46:07 AM

Jiren is stronger than Vermoud, who is stronger than Beerus. According to the manga, Vegetto Blue is about as strong as Beerus. Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku should both be two small increments of power above Vegetto Blue.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65706: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:48:00 AM

Why would they only be slightly stronger? And using the manga to assert something about the anime seems pointless.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#65707: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:49:07 AM

I like that Beerus was running a full range of emotions here. He seemed legitimately sad when he thought Goku died.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65708: Oct 8th 2017 at 10:50:26 AM

[up][up]I see that a lot lately and I don't get why its done.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65709: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:09:40 AM

As much as I think Buu's arc overstayed its welcome, I don't particularly dislike any of his forms.

Ribrianne, though, hasn't really done anything to make me appreciate her presence in the series.

edited 8th Oct '17 11:10:05 AM by Hobgoblin

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#65710: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:14:10 AM

He seemed legitimately sad when he thought Goku died.

I wasn't sure if he was actually sad that Goku apparently died, or if he was just despairing since Goku getting taken out is pretty much a death sentence for Universe 7 as long as Jiren is around.

Vegeta, Freeza, and maybe Gohan are the other heavy-hitters on the team, but I doubt any of them are powerful enough to take on Jiren.

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#65711: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:20:11 AM

[up] Sad but True. Jiren is another league of power and the best anyone not named Goku is barely slow him down. This is something that isn't new in Dragon Ball as previous arcs have shown.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65712: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:33:27 AM

I thought it was a little from column A and a little from column B.

I still don't get the complaining of "the main character defeats the big bad, it's so lame." That's why they're the main character.

edited 8th Oct '17 11:39:54 AM by LSBK

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#65713: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:38:10 AM

And he hasn't even done that in a while. It'd be a twist if Goku did win the final battle of this tournament, by this point.

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#65714: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:38:40 AM

you know, maybe i should get caught up on Super if the reactions to the special are anything to go by.

edited 8th Oct '17 11:39:20 AM by EpicBleye

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#65715: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:57:14 AM

Obviously they'll top Goku vs. Jiren as the climax by having Goku and Jiren (and whoever else is still around) vs. the Grand Priest and/or Zen'o.

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#65716: Oct 8th 2017 at 11:57:34 AM

[up][up][up]

It's true that since the Saiyan Arc, Goku's win/loss record against the Arc Villain has been...a little wonky. I feel like Toriyama still thinks he's providing a twist by not having Goku win in the end.

Sometimes it's worked (losing to Beerus, since he not only got a new form, but it was a movie, where you'd expect him to win), and Hit, but sometimes it doesn't (Frieza should have never been a threat at all, and Zamasu managing to kill everyone in the end makes everything that Trunks went through utterly meaningless in the end).

edited 8th Oct '17 11:57:48 AM by HandsomeRob

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#65717: Oct 8th 2017 at 12:03:41 PM

[up] It is weird when you think about it that since Z, Freeza is still the only Big Bad Goku has definitively beaten 1v1.

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#65718: Oct 8th 2017 at 12:17:55 PM

I think, at this point, Toriyama just wants to be contrarian and go against everyone asking "can Goku win NOW?".

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#65719: Oct 8th 2017 at 12:18:37 PM

So Toriyama does have creative control over this stuff?

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#65720: Oct 8th 2017 at 12:22:34 PM

He does the story. That includes major plot beats and the ending. He decides if Goku beats the final boss of an arc or not.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#65721: Oct 8th 2017 at 12:37:18 PM

A little late to the party, but my major beef with Ribrianne is that she keeps showing up and filling time even though its pretty clear she isn't actually a threat. Her gag isn't a bad one. However, she's clearly meant to fill time at this point and that's a little annoying.

On her design, I could care less. She looks like a character Toriyama designed. I've played to much Dragon Quest to care that she looks silly.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65722: Oct 8th 2017 at 12:47:31 PM

Seriously though, speaking of manga and anime differences, it seems like the God of Destruction stronger than Beerus, and thus the mortal stronger than them is going to be different between the two.

Like, the anime is making it clear that that refers to Belmond and Jiren, respectively, while in the manga is was that mouse god from Universe 4 who's name I can't remember.

So how different is Jiren and the tournament going to be between the two? I mean, it's entirely possible there could just be more than one mortal stronger than a God of Destruction, between two universes and no contradiction is made, but I don't think the build up is to that.

And on another note, seriously, where are Universe 6's Namekians? The bug guys from Universe 4 are probably just too small to see but no mention has even been made about the Namekians, even though everyone should know they're their doing things.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65723: Oct 8th 2017 at 1:06:03 PM

Quitela. And there's been no mention of a mortal stronger than a GoD in the manga yet. Which makes me wonder if that whole plot point was anime original.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65724: Oct 8th 2017 at 1:10:35 PM

Oh, really? That's interesting, but I don't see that not coming up.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#65725: Oct 8th 2017 at 1:29:08 PM

I'm betting the manga will weaken Jiren.

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