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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65276: Oct 1st 2017 at 8:26:57 PM

Personally, as long as things stay civil I don't really see an issue with the length.

If you don't want to read them you don't have to, if you want to talk about something else you can broach your own topic. There's no real reason for these discussions to annoy anyone besides the people having them.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65277: Oct 1st 2017 at 8:30:43 PM

Like always, people on here just can't let an argument die.

That's why I keep telling you all to give me all the guns, but no!

I mean, who's more responsible than Handsome Rob?

...And yeah, pretty sure Roshi is on weed now. I mean, he ain't doing much else, so he might as well right?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65278: Oct 1st 2017 at 8:31:27 PM

So again what are the chances that Roshi does weed?

That moment with the phoenix plants is kinda like that, heheh. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65279: Oct 1st 2017 at 8:32:54 PM

I pretty much just said really high. You missed my post on the last page.

I'd give Roshi being on weed a good 98% chance.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65280: Oct 1st 2017 at 8:34:15 PM

[up] Your right I did miss it.

Yeah its a funny thought he does pot. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65281: Oct 1st 2017 at 8:54:03 PM

Eh. When you've been around as long as Roshi has, a little recreational toke doesn't hurt nobody.

At least it keeps him away from women.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#65282: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:00:54 PM

My view is that Goku vs Hit (manga) kind of sucked and Goku vs Hit (anime) was hype as hell so the Kaioken has absolutely justified its return.

How the spirit bomb will backfire on Goku.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65283: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:10:37 PM

Sorry, I was busy. I thought the debate on the previous page (and the page before that, we did go on a bit long) was a very civil and enjoyable discussion, and I had fun with comparing our opposing points of view. I like getting into these big debates and arguing my side.

If weed exists in Dragon Ball, Roshi totally uses it. If it doesn't, he uses a substitute. Maybe the flowers he made Goku and Krillin get for him.

edited 1st Oct '17 9:11:28 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65284: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:12:29 PM

I liked aspects of both, and the Kaio-ken didn't contribute to what I like about the anime version. I didn't really like Super Saiyan God coming back in the manga version either, the extra forms just seem unnecessary in both mediums (I did think that the manga version would work better if it had been set before the God powers and used the old Super Saiyan forms in sequence, though). I did like what the following arc was able to do with God, but I'd probably still prefer not to have it.

I think the manga not having Kaio-ken allows it to make better use of Blue and make it feel like a big deal even though its track record hasn't been the best. In the anime, Blue's had an even worse track record, and it didn't take long at all to introduce a stronger form for Goku.

[up] I'm pretty sure even the writers intended that to be the PG version of weed. But that also implies he primarily uses it medicinally, and recreational use is secondary.

edited 1st Oct '17 9:13:44 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65285: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:25:24 PM

One final note: I wouldn't be surprised if Roshi uses the Mafuba multiple times in the manga's version of the Tournament of Power too, though I expect most of it to be compressed and done in panel montage with way too fast pacing to really absorb the events of the Tournament.

Kind of like those "Tournament of Power in Real Time" videos, except presented completely sincerely as the way the story's being told.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#65286: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:37:42 PM

To be fair, God coming back was probably the original plan, since it shows back up in both the manga and anime. Plus, you know that "Super Saiyan Silver" is showing up in the manga, they're not just going to introduce a brand new form entirely, and not have it show up at all in the manga adaptation.

edited 1st Oct '17 9:37:53 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65287: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:39:10 PM

The manga might condense it, so that he uses it less times simply for the sake of cutting down the number of sequences involved. Once for establishment, where he uses it and it actually works. Once against Frost, where it almost works but fails at the last second. And then the last time, where Frost deflects it and instead traps Vegeta.

Maybe an extra time between the last two for Roshi's heart to nearly give out, but they could also do that with just the first one.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65288: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:39:51 PM

[up][up]Which God are you referring to, again?

EDIT: Oh, right, Super Saiyan God.

edited 1st Oct '17 9:40:24 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#65289: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:40:15 PM

Which one do you think?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65290: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:41:34 PM

I figured it out, but I assumed you were referring to one of the Hakaishin, Kaioshin, Angels, Zen-Oh, or Dende at first.

[up][up][up]Those are the three times he uses it, yes.

edited 1st Oct '17 9:42:33 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65291: Oct 1st 2017 at 10:07:37 PM

After the exhibition match in the manga, I wouldn't be surprised if the tournament is quite different. From the manga U 6 arc, which adapted most fights fairly quickly, I could envision each chapter being split between a specific focus (which would be each characters' focus episodes) and minor fights taken up the rest of the time, like how U 6 squeezed two halves of different fights into each chapter (roughly). I think that worked well for the U 6 arc's pacing.

The universe 6 arc took about 5.5 chapters of actual tournament. But I expect this arc to be longer than Future Trunks (13 chapters) so it shouldn't be too hard to have a focus chapter for each in universe 7, some extra time dedicated to the climax with Jiren, and whatever comes after that.

To be fair, God coming back was probably the original plan, since it shows back up in both the manga and anime. Plus, you know that "Super Saiyan Silver" is showing up in the manga, they're not just going to introduce a brand new form entirely, and not have it show up at all in the manga adaptation.

Given that they showed up in completely different points, and that God-Blue was likely Toyotarou's idea (it matches an idea he used in his AF manga with switching the other Super Saiyan forms) I think that the anime just took inspiration from Toyotarou's idea. Toriyama didn't seem to have a plan to use God again going off interviews. He may have just changed his mind, but I get the feeling that's one of Toyotarou's ideas that Toriyama was encouraging him to use more of.

And I'm sure this new form is in the manga as well. That's beside the point, Blue is no longer as recent as it was when Kaio-ken Blue was introduced. Blue has recently been deemed 'complete' in the manga, and Vegeta wasted no time in getting the completed version after Goku, so they are definitely getting ready to introduce the new form.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65292: Oct 2nd 2017 at 12:34:44 AM

Roshi is biologically immortal, yes? So theoretically he could smoke as much weed as he wished with no consequence to his lungs or throat?

Or does he just not age, and still needs to watch his health?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65293: Oct 2nd 2017 at 12:42:50 AM

We have no idea

I mean looking at the guy he's clearly experienced the effects of age degrading his body

He also lied about drinking the immortality elixir, and it could just be that like Tao or his brother, he's able to live that long thanks to ki.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65294: Oct 2nd 2017 at 5:54:05 AM

What? When did he lie about it?

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#65295: Oct 2nd 2017 at 12:01:53 PM

Today on Youtube, I came across an old scene that I honestly forgot even happened.

I know I'm usually part of the "hey, come on, guys, Super's not that bad" camp, but this pisses me off. Our first glimpse of the Universe 3 team, and for some bizarre reason they decide to focus on two jobbers who end up being the first ones on the team to drop out.

And the worst part is, I liked the idea of Universe 3 being the Crazy-Prepared universe with a backup plan for each possible outcome, and I was interested to see how that would play out. Nope! Narirama never uses those emergency tools he demonstrates, and both he and Nigrisshi are gone by Episode 100, rendering this scene more or less pointless.

I know they're dealing with eighty characters here, and they're not going to have the time to give every single one of them the limelight. But what sense does it make to go through the trouble of animating a scene that ultimately serves no purpose? What sense does it make to have Ea call Nigrisshi "the universe's strongest modified warrior", only to have him eliminated by base form Cabba in the most nonchalant way possible?

edited 2nd Oct '17 12:03:36 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#65296: Oct 2nd 2017 at 12:32:01 PM

Nigrisshi was the guy who Cabba slapped out of the arena without even breaking stride, right?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65297: Oct 2nd 2017 at 12:36:20 PM

[up] Damn.

That spotlight feature involving him is a waste of time & animation.

edited 2nd Oct '17 12:36:53 PM by slimcoder

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#65298: Oct 2nd 2017 at 1:53:54 PM

Yeah, Imagine being slapped down like a fly by Cabba of all people.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65300: Oct 2nd 2017 at 3:13:27 PM

But I expected the tournament to poorly handle the majority of the characters


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