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Justin_Brett Since: Jun, 2010
#65201: Sep 30th 2017 at 11:34:36 PM

It'd be funny if Goku went for the Spirit Bomb of all moves before transforming.

edited 30th Sep '17 11:34:48 PM by Justin_Brett

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#65202: Oct 1st 2017 at 12:18:30 AM

By the looks of it, it seems when Goku is being blasted back at him, the lightning from the Blue Kaioken x20 aura turns black. I have a gut feeling that if he does absorb the spirit bomb's energy, he's not doing it willingly. Considering the new transformation has a red, blue and white aura, I think what Goku is going to go through is not only absorb the spirit bomb, but also Blue Kaioken into himself as well, similar to Full Power Super Saiyan Blue in the DBS manga.

Essentially: Spirit Bomb + Super Saiyan Blue + Kaioken x20 = New Form

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#65203: Oct 1st 2017 at 12:21:04 AM

This is funnier than it has any right to be.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#65204: Oct 1st 2017 at 12:26:09 AM

Damn, bottompaged... anyways!

By the looks of it, it seems when Goku is being blasted back at him, the lightning from the Blue Kaioken x20 aura turns black. I have a gut feeling that if he does absorb the spirit bomb's energy, he's not doing it willingly. Considering the new transformation has a red, blue and white aura, I think what Goku is going to go through is not only absorb the spirit bomb out of instinct, but also Blue Kaioken into himself as well, similar to Full Power Super Saiyan Blue in the DBS manga except all the power goes into his base form.

Essentially: Spirit Bomb + Super Saiyan Blue + Kaioken x20 = New Form

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#65205: Oct 1st 2017 at 12:48:54 AM

[up][up]That's hilarious.

We know a "terrible thing" is going to happen in the special, and I've got a couple guesses as to what that's going to be. Goku getting eliminated is obvious, but it doesn't feel "terrible" enough. I'm guessing that the "terrible thing" is that Goku's new form either turns him evil or makes him a more ruthless fighter, and it's going to permanently stain him in the eyes of the other Gods as an evil villain for the entire rest of the series.

If Goku's new form turns him evil, then he's going to be the final boss of this arc. If it just makes him a bit more vicious, then he'll probably detransform and be unable to put out full power for the rest of the Tournament.

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#65206: Oct 1st 2017 at 2:20:50 AM

Masako X's opinions on the best 5(6) episodes of Super.

While I'd probably include the Dr. Slump crossover and Yamcha's baseball episode in there somewhere and I might re-arrange the order of the list a bit, I still agree with this almost entirely.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65207: Oct 1st 2017 at 5:36:22 AM

So I might be right in that the spirit bomb plays a role in triggering the transformation.

Because there's no reason they'd bring it back without it serving some sort of purpose. So it seems like this transformation is more incidental.

It might have something to do with the fact Goku is likely absorbing energy from gods and not just mortals for this particular Spirit Bomb.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65208: Oct 1st 2017 at 5:37:54 AM

[up] Uh.

As opposed to most other things they've brought back...?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65209: Oct 1st 2017 at 5:40:41 AM

Honestly I've never had an issue with old moves coming back. It's call a moveset. Magical fighting characters tend to have those.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65210: Oct 1st 2017 at 5:44:00 AM

I wouldn't have an issue with that if it was somehow congruent to their portrayal in the manga or if there was any meaning to it at all.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#65211: Oct 1st 2017 at 7:12:00 AM

@Rin: So Goku turns Super Saiyan AMERICAN?

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#65212: Oct 1st 2017 at 7:17:51 AM

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65213: Oct 1st 2017 at 7:39:48 AM

I'm baffled as to how his Spirit Bomb is that big. Don't people need to offer their energy to it willingly? Why would the enemy teams with people still in the ring do so?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65214: Oct 1st 2017 at 7:43:14 AM

@Saiga: Regardless of how you feel about it, the moves they've brought back have served a purpose, even if it's primary intent is fanservice.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65215: Oct 1st 2017 at 7:48:25 AM

If you're going to be that broad, then no, the majority of them have served no purpose at all beyond fanservice. Because by not specifying you're including shit like Final Flash, stretchy arms, four witches, Vegetto's sword etc that are just there for fanservice and visual flair.

Even stuff that actually has semi-plot relevance like the Kaio-ken doesn't have much purpose when the show can just as easily not use it. It's just a visual power-up.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65216: Oct 1st 2017 at 7:53:23 AM

I'm on mobile right now so I can't exactly go into much detail at the moment.

I can only give one example, and that's the Mafuba being the catalyst to make Black and Zamasu fuse and lead to the arc's climax.

And like you said, the Kaioken as well. Them opting to not use it a lot doesn't change that there was a narrative purpose.

The Spirit Bomb being used to trigger Goku's transformation isn't much different.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65217: Oct 1st 2017 at 7:56:37 AM

Nnnnnnno, that's completely different. The Mafuba being the catalyst is really weak, it's a subplot that just didn't succeed. It didn't necessarily have to be that to inspire them.

Same thing for Kaio-ken - it's just a power-up. The manga doesn't even use it, because it is simply that interchangeable with another power-up.

Having the Spirit Bomb being mechanically responsible for this transformation (like the form being born of the Spirit Bomb's power) would be different than those examples. And the original point was "it wouldn't be brought back unless it was for a purpose" but that's just flat out wrong, plenty of attacks have been brought back for no purpose.

Even the Spirit Bomb's purpose could have simply been to worf, or hype Jiren by having him throw it back. It doesn't necessarily need to be linked to this transformation.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65218: Oct 1st 2017 at 8:22:16 AM

I should have phrased it better, my bad. The point I was making is that a lot of emphasis is on the Spirit Bomb being used, and then Goku's transformation. The how and why of it haven't really been alluded to, so I'm just speculating that the two are linked somehow.

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#65219: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:44:31 AM

The signature moves being brought back was awesome, and that's reason enough to bring them back.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#65220: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:50:09 AM

Didn't I mention the possibility of Goku's new form combining Kaioken, Super Saiyan Blue, and the Spirit Bomb before?

I mean, Saiga and I were talking about the idea of Goku absorbing the Spirit Bomb and how it's mostly a movie thing as opposed to being in the manga or series. I'm near positive we've had a conversation like this before.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65221: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:50:32 AM

I can't help but find Kaioken Blue to be really fucking hype.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#65222: Oct 1st 2017 at 9:51:29 AM

Me either.

It's just so nice to actually see Kaioken after so long. I never really liked that Toriyama just abandoned it.

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#65223: Oct 1st 2017 at 11:12:54 AM

So the dub gave Magetta the DBZ Abridged Android 19 treatment and it was pretty hilarious.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65224: Oct 1st 2017 at 12:46:26 PM

Bule Kaioken still doesn't move me, but I understand its popularity.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65225: Oct 1st 2017 at 1:29:35 PM

The only thing that bugs me about the old moves coming back for fanservice is that what made a lot of those moves interesting in the first place was the context in which they're used, and Super isn't particularly interested in giving them new context that makes their returns that much cooler.

Especially with the moves that actually aren't that distinctive on their own without that context, like the Big Bang Attack.

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edited 1st Oct '17 1:32:08 PM by KnownUnknown


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