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Motherfucker. But the episode's really boring!
Also, the ship her father built covered the space between two quadrants of the universe in six days and, like I said, that ship was built about fifteen years ago. Jaco acts like traveling out of your galaxy is basically impossible.
Then there's Goku not being able to sense the Kaioushin's ki for absolutely no reason.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!...Has Goku been ever shown to search for the Kaioshin's Ki?
When he reached the Kaioshin planet, he did so by sensing Gohan, not East or Kibito.
This makes me think Goku can't sense the Kai's either.
Have we talked about this before?
edited 29th Sep '17 6:49:27 AM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!So what's your point, bad parents have an effect on people? That's so obvious it doesn't actually need to be stated. And of course Cold deserves to be in hell, he was the ruler of planet conquering empire, but that's not why Frieza didn't want to bring him back; their was no hatred or resentment it was just the usual callousness you'd expect from Frieza. It really seems like you're trying to force something that isn't there.
Again, Frieza doesn't need anymore reason to be evil other than he likes it. People really do make a mistake of thinking there's always something more to it. That's not even true in real life.
edited 29th Sep '17 7:23:23 AM by LSBK
@Hamburger - I don't think Cold or Dabra were wasted. Cold could only ever be inferior to Freeza without being a very lasy retcon, and Freeza had already been surpassed. Him being a reason for Freeza to come back in and establish the new threat is good enough, the story needed to move on from that.
Dabra may have a stand out design and more could have been done with him but I don't think there's any real reason there should have been. I would have liked for Gohan and him to get a proper, conclusive fight (like just before Boo is released) but the Boo arc fights were too short in general.
@Zel - welcome to Super. The Kaioshin thing will get explained later, and the explanation is kind of dumb. But yeah, if you thought that episode was filler you probably are better skipping through the subs.
Then why did he even need to exist?
Did Frieza really need to come back just to be worfed though? I mean, I guess using him was a good way to make it clear how bad the androids were (since Trunks stomped him, and the Androids were stomping Trunks), but then again, I'm beginning to think that the Android Arc should have happened before the Saiyan Arc (with some obvious changes mind you, since there'd be no way to introduce Cell if that happened) since a bunch of teenagers suddenly being stronger than the strongest mortal being in the universe (and by accident at that) just because of inferior Earth Tech is pretty ridiculous.
Honestly, Dabra and the demon world could have been an arc in and of themselves. He definitely deserved better than to be a measuring stick for Buu. But that's purely my opinion really.
One Strip! One Strip!What's the harm in Cold existing? If Freeza was just brought back by his goons, it'd be the same. At least this way we get to see a little more about him.
I also dislike the idea of Abdroids before Saiyans, I know it gets brought up a lot, but I think it's a terrible idea:
- You'd either lose Cell, or need to split the arcs in two, completely breaking the narrative flow.
- Same thing with Trunks, and the time travel. You can't have Trunks as a character in that period, and the time travel wouldn't make sense if the traveller comes from a future where Raditz would still arrive and ruin everything.
- The Androids' characters end up having no character without a greater evil to fight. 16 in particular becomes completely pointless, and you don't get his or Satan's contributions to the Cell Games.
- Inserting an arc between 23rd Budokai and Saiyan arcs really ruins the dynamics of the Saiyan arc. Goku and Piccolo teaming up doesn't have the same weight, Gohan's hidden power and Piccolo's redemption should be explored, etc. You'd have to set it before Gohan's birth (ridiculously tight) and ignore Piccolo for the entire arc in order to keep the Saiyan arc meaningful.
Once you remove Cell, Trunks and time travel from the equation, the Android arc becomes a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment and pure filler with no room for development or consequences. Then the later Cell arc becomes totally boring with one antagonist, incredibly simple time travel and a lack of mystery.
All this just to make preserve Freeza's completely undeserved legacy. He was the strongest guy in the universe just because. He shouldn't be treated as some insurpassable ideal.
As for Dabra: he doesn't have much character, I don't se how he 'deserved' anything. The idea of him having an arc to himself also sounds like it could just be filler.
edited 29th Sep '17 3:30:34 PM by Saiga
Except we never saw what Dabura was like before he joined up with Babidi, so maybe we could have had something that explored that. Because really, all we have to go off now is video game material and a possible appearance in Sand Land.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!My problem with Dabura is that he's built up as a Cell-caliber baddie, complete with his own realm that he rules, and yet all he gets is a couple inconclusive fights and then jobbing to the actual new Big Bad. In any other manga, he'd actually be a significant Arc Villain.
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I can see that interpretation. The heroes have gotten so complacent that even an angry archdemon as strong as the genetic death machine they just barely scraped off a win against isn't a big deal to them, making their subsequent awakening all the ruder.
I still think it's a waste we never saw his realm, at least.
Eh, DB is as good as they say to me. Only have a few minor quibbles.
edited 29th Sep '17 4:03:21 PM by HamburgerTime

Zuno is not a one-off character. He does have a small but fairly important role in the arc after that one.