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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65076: Sep 28th 2017 at 4:21:17 PM

Pretty much.

He is what he is because of being a mutant apparently. He truly is a naturally born monster.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#65077: Sep 28th 2017 at 4:23:10 PM

Though he did state that his "parents" were the only beings strong enough to have used his final form on until Goku, implying that a) they've at least sparred, b) he has a mother, and c) she's crazy strong too.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#65078: Sep 28th 2017 at 4:23:46 PM

Some guys just like being assholes ok.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65079: Sep 28th 2017 at 4:27:49 PM

[up][up] the word he uses in Japanese does not imply if it is singular or plural

We don't know if he has any other parent than Cold

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#65080: Sep 28th 2017 at 4:41:40 PM

[up] Huh. Was wondering if that might've been the case, but wasn't certain.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#65081: Sep 28th 2017 at 4:54:23 PM

@Saiga: 1. What word did the Japanese version use?

2. If you only have one parent, wouldn't it make more sense to say "mother" or "father", than "parent"?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#65082: Sep 28th 2017 at 5:23:43 PM

Oya is the word used. It's neither singular nor plural, but if he were referring to two parents 'ryoushin' would be clearer (I can't do the Kanji for these on my phone).

There's also an interview where Toriyama describes Freeza's power and abnormality as 'born from his father alone' HOWEVER the phrasing of the Japanese makes it seem more likely that it's takking about him inheriting his mutation from his father's side rather than literally being born from one parent.

Shit's vague.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#65083: Sep 28th 2017 at 5:27:08 PM

Cold is also weaker than his son (by how much isn't certain though) and seems permanently in a "second form."

He's also kind of a wasted character, thought not nearly as bad as Dabura.

edited 28th Sep '17 5:34:14 PM by HamburgerTime

felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Teacher
#65084: Sep 28th 2017 at 8:28:18 PM

All I get from this is: fuck oriental ambiguity

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#65085: Sep 28th 2017 at 8:29:22 PM

[up]Oh, it's not like European languages are any less ambiguous.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#65086: Sep 28th 2017 at 9:15:09 PM

Ambiguous words are surprisingly useful.

I'll shout them out while listening to a hit song.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65087: Sep 28th 2017 at 9:46:12 PM

I'm not saying it justifies his evil, but I don't like the idea of Frieza being evil since birth. Part of why Frieza is so evil is because unlike a lot of Dragonball villains he chooses to be rather than innately is

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#65088: Sep 28th 2017 at 9:48:19 PM

Him not having a Freudian Excuse, doesn't mean he isn't choosing to be evil.

But, frankly, I've never bought into the idea that whether the character chooses or not makes them more or less evil.

edited 28th Sep '17 9:49:49 PM by LSBK

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#65089: Sep 28th 2017 at 9:50:05 PM

Frieza comes from a simpler time, a time when comic book villains didn't need lengthy sob stories to explain their evil. No, they were evil because they enjoyed being dicks to people. In today's world, I actually find that rather refreshing.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#65090: Sep 28th 2017 at 9:54:00 PM

It's the truest expression of evil, really. The desire to benefit yourself by harming others, simply because one chooses to.

The pettiest and also most evil of reasons to be evil is simply "Why not?"

edited 28th Sep '17 9:54:20 PM by DarkHunter

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#65091: Sep 28th 2017 at 10:29:08 PM

has anyone considered that cold is just really tall? Like, he's in his first form, just like freeza, and his second form is even LARGER?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65092: Sep 28th 2017 at 10:30:04 PM

I figured that's his natural, final-form state, and Frieza just designed his second form similar to his father.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#65093: Sep 28th 2017 at 10:36:47 PM

Do keep in mind that Freeza's various forms are actually power limiters. His "Final Form" is actually his true form.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65094: Sep 29th 2017 at 12:18:11 AM

Even without a Freudian Excuse, King Cold clearly had a negative impact on the young Frieza. From what little we get he comes off as a horrible father. I honestly don't blame Frieza for letting Cold rot in Hell, he probably deserves it

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#65095: Sep 29th 2017 at 12:21:45 AM

Horrible as in abusive or horrible as in enabling?

Cause I'm thinking it was mostly the latter.

Like how Abridged-Cooler was upset at how Frieza was spoiled rotten by his dad. I know that's not exactly canon but its a very sensible interpretation of Cold & Frieza's relationship.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65096: Sep 29th 2017 at 1:03:41 AM

[up] I think it's a mix of both, really

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#65097: Sep 29th 2017 at 3:34:47 AM

Frieza's immediate response to being brought back from the brink of death is "Dad, I want to go blow up Earth." and Cold goes along with it, clearly bored, but wanting to indulge his son.

Frieza being spoiled seems pretty likely. At the same time, Cold also was willing to adopt Trunks in his stead once he was killed (IIRC), so I have no idea how genuine the affection is there.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#65098: Sep 29th 2017 at 3:47:53 AM

Sorry it took me so long to get to this (admittedly minor point), I had class and went right to sleep almost the second I got home.

@last page: Yamcha and Yamaha definitely rhyme. All four A sounds in the first and last syllables are exactly the same soft A, unless you're one of those people who pronounces Yamcha with the first syllable like a yam. Cha and Ha may be a weak rhyme, but it's not forced in any way and the alliteration at the beginning more than makes up for it.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#65099: Sep 29th 2017 at 4:34:50 AM

Oh my god. So I decided to get caught up with the Super dub but this Jaco episode is fucking filler. Not only does it make absolutely no sense in any aspect whatsoever (Why does Bulma need the Galactic Patrol to reach the center of the universe when her dad built a ship capable of going from Earth to Namek in six days fifteen years ago? And Namek is in a different galaxy/part of the universe since North Kaiou says that Namek is out of his jurisdiction) and is super boring. I had wanted to wait for the dub but, at this rate, it'll probably be better for me to just watch it subbed so I can skip the filler BS (seriously, the episode before this was, like, 70% recap of the episode before that one) and just watch the dub of each saga after it ends.

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TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#65100: Sep 29th 2017 at 4:52:53 AM

[up] She needed to get there in a day. Also if it helps, that episode is actually important worldbuilding for a later arc.


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