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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#64926: Sep 25th 2017 at 4:09:51 PM

I do like this tournament for giving us lots of endgame-level female fighters if nothing else.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#64927: Sep 25th 2017 at 4:12:59 PM

The Real-Time Tournament of Power videos are still the best part about this arc.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64928: Sep 25th 2017 at 5:11:07 PM

I feel Ribrianne is sticking around a bit longer. You know how we see Goku vs Jiren in the intro, and that's going to be the main event(well, initially at least). We also see Vegeta vs Ribrianne. So here's what I think is going to happen with that, since Vegeta hasn't actually really fought her yet: Ribrianne is gonna transform into the butterfly form because Goku is too much for her, and Goku's about to fight proper by going blue...then Jiren comes in

Jiren says that he's been trying to deduce who he should use the bulk of his power on, and now knows Goku is top priority. Goku is happy and the two fight. Ribrianne's annoyed, however Vegeta comes. He got over her grossness and wants an actual fight. Then we actually see her be equal to Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta and show why she's the strongest of her universe

I believe that Universe 11 is next to be erased. They have the least remaining fighters at only three. Dyspo is already tired and almost got knocked out, and they can only realistically expect Jiren and Toppo to last for another thirty minutes. Also, the team with the most teammates left survives. So even if they last, Universe 11 needs all remaining teams to have three or less or they will be erased. A minimum of twenty-four.

I see it happening like this: when Goku is charging the Spirit Bomb, Dyspo tries to stop him from charging it. Frieza, after being triggered by seeing a replay of his fight with Goku pre-Super Saiyan, decides to interfere because even though he hates Goku he need him around long enough to get rid of Jiren, though will try and see to it that Goku is drained or possibly taken out with Jiren. So he ends up taking out Dyspo

The battle with Jiren results in the two exhausted. I think Goku will lose, but Jiren will either be taken out or the bulk of his power will be gone which will allow him to be taken out. Toppo then fights Hit, who like Toppo is equal to SSB x10 Kaioken Goku. Hit says that he'd rather do it so Toppo gets to die honorably instead of a sneak like Frieza, and like he has come to value Goku has come to value the Pride Troopers. He says he doesn't want the guilt of a universe being erased on those he cares about

After an epic fight, Toppo falls. The Grand Priest announces Universe 11's fate, but Toppo interrupts. He declares that he was wrong about Goku, and that it is Zen'o who is evil and swears he will one day face justice. Zen'o is amused and decides to spare Toppo. Toppo refuses as he'd rather die with his people. Universe 11 is erased, but with a lot of respect.

In general, I think that while U9 died in fear and U10 accepted it, U11 would be Defiant to the End

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64929: Sep 25th 2017 at 5:17:10 PM

After an epic fight, Toppo falls. The Grand Priest announces Universe 11's fate, but Toppo interrupts. He declares that he was wrong about Goku, and that it is Zen'o who is evil and swears he will one day face justice. Zen'o is amused and decides to spare Toppo. Toppo refuses as he'd rather die with his people. Universe 11 is erased, but with a lot of respect.

I have doubts this will end with everyone not still hating U7. I think that will take a while to deal with.

One Strip! One Strip!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#64930: Sep 25th 2017 at 5:54:13 PM

It's going to be hilarious if Jiren just bounces the spirit bomb back at Goku since he's not a bad person.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64931: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:05:04 PM

I've been thinking about this but would it be cool if both Jiren's power & Goku's new form allows them to fly in the arena?

Like in a massive rule of cool when Goku unlocks his new power the surge of force is so tremendously great he bypasses the God's flight restriction. Same with Jiren who decides to go all out at once like Frieza did & immediately using 100% of his power also allows him to fly.

Basically both fighters are allowed to fight completely unimpeded due to pure Rule of Cool allowing them to overcome to the flight rule though nothing more than sheer force of will & the Zeno's allow it cause of how awesome it is.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#64932: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:05:16 PM

I'd honestly legit laugh if that's exactly what happens.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64933: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:15:49 PM

Does Zeno still swear like a sailor in the manga?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64934: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:17:02 PM

He never did. That's a mangastream invention.

If you're asking if they still do that, I don't know, Viz's translation has been coming out first so I've been reading that.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#64935: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:17:06 PM

We know Jiren isn't out after the special since in the next one he's fighting Hit. If anything, that makes it more likely Goku goes down than Jiren.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64936: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:20:12 PM

[up][up]Ah. Well that's silly.

[up]I hope the plot twist isn't that Goku loses after getting a new form. Because the movies did that. Twice.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64937: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:23:07 PM

@ Handsome Robb: I mean respect for Universe 11, not 7. This might burn their bridges even more

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64938: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:25:38 PM

It's Zen-oh's speech pattern. It's very informal, which we later saw was part of his childish persona.

When mangastream first translated his appearance in universe 6, they decided to render the informal, rough speech as gangsta speak which was before we learned how childlike he was. The reason they made the connection from "informal/rough" to "gang$ta" is because all of their dialogue is punched up to be closer to American slang and 'cooler'.

edited 25th Sep '17 6:25:53 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64939: Sep 25th 2017 at 6:25:45 PM

[up][up]

Oh. Ok. That sounds about right.

It's going to be hilarious if Jiren just bounces the spirit bomb back at Goku since he's not a bad person.

....

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Here's hoping Toei doesn't forget that little detail.

edited 25th Sep '17 6:25:58 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64940: Sep 25th 2017 at 8:05:39 PM

Oh yeah, that is a thing, isn't it?

Though, the one Gohan bounced back was significantly smaller than everything that came after.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#64941: Sep 25th 2017 at 8:11:35 PM

@Known - this is far from the first internal plot hole created from Super.

Is it? That's a sincere question: off the top of my head, I can't remember another major occasion yet where Super has contradicted itself, as apposed to retconning/contradicting something from the earlier series.

edited 25th Sep '17 8:26:22 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64942: Sep 25th 2017 at 8:26:21 PM

I cleared XV 1's story now. Old Man Henderson is now a double-hero.

The villain tried, tried, tried
but you can't expect a Demigra
to beat a Henderson (Look it up!)

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64943: Sep 25th 2017 at 9:26:23 PM

If the World of Void is supposed to be outside time and space, then how does its flow of "time" compare to the other universes? Is it that from the perspective of the people in the Void, the universes are frozen in time?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64944: Sep 26th 2017 at 12:32:03 AM

So... how exactly am I supposed to ever hit foes with Ultimate moves? The wind up is way too long to hit them with it even immediately following a Stamina Break.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64945: Sep 26th 2017 at 12:37:27 AM

16's Hell's Flash is fucking impossible to aim. Damn mission was impossible to complete with luck.

It was perfect as it was as a grapple move.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64946: Sep 26th 2017 at 12:49:48 AM

Really? Stamina break should be sufficient, hell a lot of ultimates shouldn't even need that.

What Ultimates are you using with such a long windup?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64947: Sep 26th 2017 at 12:57:34 AM

I've been trying a few. Perfect Kamehameha and Dimension Ray at the moment.

I'll Stamina Break an opponent and they'll get sent flying, but gravity arcs them out of the way before my attack can connect. Or they'll just recover and dodge no matter how quickly I get the attack going.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64948: Sep 26th 2017 at 1:10:04 AM

Ah, wait, different races/inputs may have different results. I know there's a really easy one that breaks them without knocking them back (so you can immediately blast them)

The knock back breaks are meant to be used with pursuit combos which I never learned how to do.

Also, the more stamina an enemy has before the break, the faster they will recover. So it's better to break them after they've already used some stamina teleporting and stuff.

edit: I remember now, light stamina breaks (using the light attack button) just stun them while heavy stamina breaks knock them back.

edited 26th Sep '17 1:11:40 AM by Saiga

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#64949: Sep 26th 2017 at 2:38:50 AM

Bringing up the question about Jimeeze offering to teach gohan some techniquesif they meet again, didn't someone suggest earlier that stronger yardratians might be able to IT to other universes? If thats the case, Jimeeze might actually be from universe 7. Alternatively "maybe I'll teach you some of my techniques if we meet agian." might be his catchphrase to worthy oponents. Honestly I'm just hoping that something comes of that because IT is too good of a technique for just goku to have.

Has anyone presented the theory that the winner of the tournament will wish all of the inahabitants of the erased universe to universe 7? I kindof thought tha'd be a thing ever since evil Goku and the mention of Universe 7 barely having any liife in it. With everyone in universe 7 and possibly several poeple still seeing goku as a villian, I could see a long string of arcs becoming possible from a wish like that.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64950: Sep 26th 2017 at 2:49:49 AM

The thing is, Jimeze is fighting for U 2. If he wins, Gohan doesn't exist. They're not going to meet again.


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