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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#64801: Sep 24th 2017 at 4:19:41 PM

I have to say, Freeza maiming that one Yardrat was kind of Narm for me since the show has to be restrained with showing gore since it's now a Saturday Morning series. So it felt like all the grim reactions were to fuck all since there wasn't even any blood.

But even if it's just being a dick and not caring about Gohan, why is everyone cool with that?

Wild Card, Bitches!

edited 24th Sep '17 4:22:09 PM by Lionheart0

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#64802: Sep 24th 2017 at 4:30:33 PM

Frieza confirmed for Chaotic Neutral murderhobo.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#64803: Sep 24th 2017 at 4:37:49 PM

But maybe it is similar to Doffy vs Luffy, and the post special episodes will be defending Goku until he can join the fray again.

That's what I'm expecting, Goku gets incapacitated somehow (maybe the new form has an unexpected downside) and the next few episodes are Jiren going through all the heavy hitters until Goku finally comes back.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64804: Sep 24th 2017 at 4:38:08 PM

The problem with Universe 3 getting erased is that it will lack the emotional gutpunch necessary. We cared about Universe 9 because they were the underdogs. We cared about Universe 10 because of Gowasu and Obuni. We care about Universe 6 and 11 due to how much focus they've gotten. We don't care about Universe 3, so the impact of their erasure won't mean much. And when it comes to destruction on this level, we need to care

Even if the erasure is truly permanent, which I could actually believe, I feel they will spare a decent number of universes. I'm thinking at least Universe 7 because of Plot Armor, Universe 6 because its the most developed other universe, Universe 3 because it would allow more development for a universe that sorely needs it and Universe 2 because I really like the other genre parody and they have a really interesting team. I could see there being 4 exempt universes and 4 tournament universes left, the number reduced to 8 instead of 12 or 18

Yeah, I believe for the ultimate gut punch they will erase Universe 11

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#64805: Sep 24th 2017 at 4:46:21 PM

I've saying that Goku's new form might be the result of absorbing the Spirit Bomb into himself as a SSJBKK.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64806: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:04:03 PM

Hasn't the NEP shown it beibg launched? So either it fets reflected or he makes another one?

I don't find it likely. It's already been done before, which makes it pretty boring, and the form is called, roughly, "limit surpassing Saiyan" and it visually looks nothing like SSB or KK. I don't see the connection to those things.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64807: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:10:13 PM

I don't find it likely. It's already been done before, which makes it pretty boring, and the form is called, roughly, "limit surpassing Saiyan" and it visually looks nothing like SSB or KK. I don't see the connection to those things.

You mean absorbing the Spirit Bomb? Cause that was only in the Super Android 13 movie, but it would be cool to see it here.

While it would be interesting to see Goku just take every form and technique he knows and create the ultimate power up from it, I think Saiga is right. At the very least, there's not much of Kaioken in this new attack (while there seems to be at least something of Blue—a tinge of blue in his aura).

I guess this could be considered some kind of super version of Gohan's ultimate power (since it also causes Goku to revert to black hair, but with some Super Saiyan like looks to his hair).

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64808: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:22:01 PM

It was also done in some video games, like the story mode of Shin Budokai.

Even though neither of these are in continuity with Super, the method has existed in previous products. I don't think that's unique enough to be the explanation for a new form that has been hyped up.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#64809: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:25:53 PM

Don't forget Trunks' Spirit Sword.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64810: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:31:08 PM

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I just assumed that since they were non canon, they wouldn't count and all. Though I suppose we've seen a lot of it.

I'm wondering why Toriyama never tried it himself, but he rarely ever seems to use ideas he didn't come up with himself (such as creating Potara since Toei beat him to the punch with fusion) and when he does use the ideas of others...we get Dragonball Minus.sad

One Strip! One Strip!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64811: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:32:24 PM

I liked it better when the Saiyans were hedonistic villains instead of nonchalant heroes. sad

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#64812: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:37:28 PM

wild mass guessWhat if Hit vs Jiren happens while Goku is still transforming, and Hit jumps in to stop Jiren from attacking him while he does so?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64813: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:37:54 PM

I think both can work.

For universe 6, I like that the Saiyans are mostly heroic.

I do wish they had tails, but hey, what can you do? They get in the way of pants and all.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64814: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:39:14 PM

It is an alternate universe after all. Of course they'd be different.

Sad we didn't get a good Frieza outta it though.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:39:23 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#64815: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:39:25 PM

As far as villains, they were generally canon fodder, though.

Elites like Nappa and 'Super" elites like Vegeta were implied to be extremely rare amongst saiyans.

Watch Symphogear
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#64816: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:41:53 PM

[up]x5

I know right?

Which is why I can't stand any of the U6 ones.

Those clowns with pocket knives that Caulifla hangs out with.....just....what? Those are not my Saiyans.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:43:35 PM by hardcorefakes

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#64817: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:44:17 PM

Caulifla is the only good U6 Sayian. The rest of them are pretty meh.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64818: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:45:18 PM

[up] Cause ironically she's exactly like a typical U7 Saiyan.

A savage, uncouth brute.

Ah why couldn't Gine be more liker her? I would have actually liked her if she wasn't a wimp.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:47:17 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64819: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:47:10 PM

I don't mind U 6 Saiyans being more heroic and having a different culture. That culture being anime high school delinquents, though... that's flabbergasting.

DB Super as a whole is shoving pop culture/anime culture into everything.

As for Toriyama not using others' ideas often: I'm not surprised. I think he'd be more interested in coming up with original ideas, it'd be a smaller subset of fans that want to see his take on deriviative ideas.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#64820: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:47:13 PM

[up][up] And even she's pretty tame compared to guys like Raditz, Nappa, Turles, etc.

[up] What, you don't like silly, teenaged drama?

edited 24th Sep '17 5:50:03 PM by hardcorefakes

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64821: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:49:37 PM

As for Toriyama not using others' ideas often: I'm not surprised. I think he'd be more interested in coming up with original ideas, it'd be a smaller subset of fans that want to see his take on deriviative ideas.

I can get that. I imagine most dudes prefer to do their own thing rather than crib someone else.

I also think there were some concepts that he could have put his own spin on too, but I suppose it doesn't matter now.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64822: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:51:53 PM

[up][up][up] The common thing of making an inhuman culture too human or in this case Japanese that it becomes disconcerting.

I can't tell if its laziness or not.

[up] [up]Well she is being held back from her true potential. She hasn't been raised in an environment that would allow her to truly rise as a warrior.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:52:21 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#64823: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:52:29 PM

Caulifla is like the daughter Goku wishes he had. Seriously look at their fight. Goku looks like a father who finally found the one kid who shares his passion.

edited 24th Sep '17 5:59:03 PM by Shlugo_the_great

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#64824: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:57:35 PM

[up] Goten does, but Toei Chichi won't let him train.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64825: Sep 24th 2017 at 5:58:23 PM

Ahh, good old character regression


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