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TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#64626: Sep 22nd 2017 at 7:26:25 PM

[up] It'd make sense, he seems to be the sixth ranger of the group.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64627: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:46:54 PM

I don't think Jiren was a villain persay, I think that he just has Grey-and-Gray Morality. He was probably an anti-hero before becoming friends with Toppo

If Jiren is the mortal stronger than a God of Destruction who's stronger than Beerus, I would love to see his reaction. And the reaction to Goku if he manages to be equal/above Beerus in his new form

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#64628: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:50:23 PM

Random question, but has it ever been stated how God Goku and Vegeta compare to Vegetto?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64629: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:52:14 PM

Nope. It's assumed God Goku is stronger since Goku dismissed the idea of using Potara against Beerus but thought God would be sufficient.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#64630: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:55:00 PM

Vegetto was leagues above everything else in the original story (he was stronger than the next-strongest, Ultra Buu, as a piece of candy) so I was wondering if that gap's been crossed.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64631: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:00:08 PM

I mean, Beerus was still stronger than Blue Mode Vegetto if I'm not mistaken.

The distance between Beerus and them is whatever they want it to be, and stopped making sense awhile ago.

edited 22nd Sep '17 9:00:33 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#64632: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:03:37 PM

[up] When did we see Blue Mode Vegetto?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64633: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:06:11 PM

He fought against Merged Zamasu. I wasn't actively watching Super at that point so I'm not privy on all the details, but I remember people complaining about how the fight seemed really unimpressive.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#64634: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:08:55 PM

I thought Blue Vegito vs Merged Zamasu was one of Super's best fights. Most people's complaints that I've seen were that it was too short.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64635: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:09:57 PM

The animation was beautiful.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#64636: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:10:57 PM

If God Goku really is above Vegetto then I've been massively underestimating how far above Buu Toppo and Jiren are.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#64637: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:18:08 PM

Technically, Manga!Vegito Blue was implied to have been even stronger than Beerus, since he was pretty much toying with Merged Zamas at that point. Hell, he manage to take off both of Merged Zamas' arms without him being able to do anything to stop him, in his Saiyan Beyond God/Base state.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64638: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:18:48 PM

Blue Vegetto is stronger than Beerus in the manga, however. Viz' translation has Kaioshin state such outright.

But it's really unclear just how strong Beerus is meant to be in relation to God or Blue Goku in Super. Toriyama's old scale definitely doesn't apply.

edited 22nd Sep '17 9:19:44 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#64639: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:21:38 PM

Especially since Complete Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta gets laid out in one solid hit from Beerus once he decides to actually take it seriously, even though Goku in that same form was pretty much even with Merged Zamas.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64640: Sep 22nd 2017 at 11:15:13 PM

Vegetto is ludicrously strong in any context. From what I understand Potara Fusion are the two Fusee multiplied. Beerus is probably dozens, if not hundreds or even thousands of times stronger than SSB Vegeta and Goku. But at this point SSB Vegeta and Goku would probably be in the quadrillions in terms of power level. I'm pretty sure Beerus isn't quadrillions of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Hell, I don't think he's even a million times stronger.

SSB Vegetto is so stupidly powerful I can't see him being defeated by anyone who's not a fusion of even stronger characters or Zen'o and the Grand Priest. Maybe an angel if they manage to use their time powers to screw with the fusion in the nanoseconds before they get piledrived. Of course, if it came down to a fight Goku and Vegeta would never rely on fusion against Beerus because that wouldn't be a true test of their power.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64641: Sep 22nd 2017 at 11:34:02 PM

We don't know much much stronger Potara fusion makes someone. The idea of it being two powers multiplied by each other comes from a blurb in the SEG that proclaims "Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta" but that's probably not meant to be literal. It also describes potara as being closer to something like multiplication rather than addition, which is not as far as being actual multiplication.

If it were, Merged Zamasu would be way too powerful for something like Completed SSB Goku. Even Kaioshin x Kibito would be enough to defeat Boo. Hell, base Vegetto would be way more powerful than what we've seen of Super Vegetto.

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#64642: Sep 22nd 2017 at 11:42:46 PM

I estimate Potara Fusion to be somewhere around Fusee A + Fusee B x 20 or so. Having the multiplier be Fusee A x Fusee B would be an absolutely preposterous increase that would only get bigger as the characters involved get stronger.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#64643: Sep 23rd 2017 at 4:59:43 AM

I once accepted that Potara was X power level times Y power level, but that meant Goku and Vegeta should never have needed Super Saiyan for Buuhan. I feel like it should just be X power level plus Y power level to keep it reasonable.

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#64644: Sep 23rd 2017 at 5:08:09 AM

Idea for Xenoverse 3: include all the Gods of Destruction in the game, and give them all the exact same Evasive Skill and Ultimate.

The Evasive Skill is a Hakai for destroying Ki blasts, Ki Blast Supers, and Ki Blast Ultimates in front of the Hakaishin using the move and the amount of Stamina it uses is proportional to the amount of Ki that attack it's destroying used.

The Ultimate is a straight-up Hakai. It uses 6 bars of Ki and 3 bars of Stamina, it's extremely short range, it has a bit of a wind-up, and it's a one-hit-kill. Not even like, a one-hit-KO, where you fall to the ground and a teammate could revive you. It's a one-hit-kill, as in, it completely destroys your body and removes you from the battlefield, leaving you to spectate.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#64645: Sep 23rd 2017 at 5:44:42 AM

[up][up] That doesn't work because Potara Fusion is stated to be stronger than the Fusion Dance and the Fusion Dance makes two fighters become far stronger than both of them combined.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#64646: Sep 23rd 2017 at 5:52:28 AM

Do we know the Fusion Dance makes them stronger than the 2 put together?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64647: Sep 23rd 2017 at 5:56:17 AM

Yeap. It's described as 'stronger than the sum of its parts'

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#64648: Sep 23rd 2017 at 6:39:07 AM

Dance makes you Stong As They Need To Be . Potaras make you stronger than you need. tongue

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#64649: Sep 23rd 2017 at 7:08:01 AM

Then the Super Exciting Guide is all we have for actual info, which states Vegito is Goku x Vegeta. I'm fine with it in that case.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64650: Sep 23rd 2017 at 7:11:26 AM

It also pretty clearly states that that's not literal by saying it's LIKE multiplication, not that it just flat out IS.


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