Don't know how to pilot this thing
It'd make sense, he seems to be the sixth ranger of the group.
I don't think Jiren was a villain persay, I think that he just has Grey-and-Gray Morality. He was probably an anti-hero before becoming friends with Toppo
If Jiren is the mortal stronger than a God of Destruction who's stronger than Beerus, I would love to see his reaction. And the reaction to Goku if he manages to be equal/above Beerus in his new form
Technically, Manga!Vegito Blue was implied to have been even stronger than Beerus, since he was pretty much toying with Merged Zamas at that point. Hell, he manage to take off both of Merged Zamas' arms without him being able to do anything to stop him, in his Saiyan Beyond God/Base state.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Blue Vegetto is stronger than Beerus in the manga, however. Viz' translation has Kaioshin state such outright.
But it's really unclear just how strong Beerus is meant to be in relation to God or Blue Goku in Super. Toriyama's old scale definitely doesn't apply.
edited 22nd Sep '17 9:19:44 PM by Saiga
Vegetto is ludicrously strong in any context. From what I understand Potara Fusion are the two Fusee multiplied. Beerus is probably dozens, if not hundreds or even thousands of times stronger than SSB Vegeta and Goku. But at this point SSB Vegeta and Goku would probably be in the quadrillions in terms of power level. I'm pretty sure Beerus isn't quadrillions of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Hell, I don't think he's even a million times stronger.
SSB Vegetto is so stupidly powerful I can't see him being defeated by anyone who's not a fusion of even stronger characters or Zen'o and the Grand Priest. Maybe an angel if they manage to use their time powers to screw with the fusion in the nanoseconds before they get piledrived. Of course, if it came down to a fight Goku and Vegeta would never rely on fusion against Beerus because that wouldn't be a true test of their power.
We don't know much much stronger Potara fusion makes someone. The idea of it being two powers multiplied by each other comes from a blurb in the SEG that proclaims "Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta" but that's probably not meant to be literal. It also describes potara as being closer to something like multiplication rather than addition, which is not as far as being actual multiplication.
If it were, Merged Zamasu would be way too powerful for something like Completed SSB Goku. Even Kaioshin x Kibito would be enough to defeat Boo. Hell, base Vegetto would be way more powerful than what we've seen of Super Vegetto.
Idea for Xenoverse 3: include all the Gods of Destruction in the game, and give them all the exact same Evasive Skill and Ultimate.
The Evasive Skill is a Hakai for destroying Ki blasts, Ki Blast Supers, and Ki Blast Ultimates in front of the Hakaishin using the move and the amount of Stamina it uses is proportional to the amount of Ki that attack it's destroying used.
The Ultimate is a straight-up Hakai. It uses 6 bars of Ki and 3 bars of Stamina, it's extremely short range, it has a bit of a wind-up, and it's a one-hit-kill. Not even like, a one-hit-KO, where you fall to the ground and a teammate could revive you. It's a one-hit-kill, as in, it completely destroys your body and removes you from the battlefield, leaving you to spectate.
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That doesn't work because Potara Fusion is stated to be stronger than the Fusion Dance and the Fusion Dance makes two fighters become far stronger than both of them combined.
Dance makes you Stong As They Need To Be . Potaras make you stronger than you need.
