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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#64601: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:44:07 AM

Do you guys think Goku is boring?

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#64602: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:48:22 AM

Already posted, but i never put in my 2 cents on it.

I think Masako is, as always, assuming that because a character is way different from how they used to be it automatically makes them a better character. Goku isn't a boring character, he just doesn't change much.

Though I do agree with his statements on relevance in regards to some of the older cast members.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#64603: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:52:48 AM

Oh yeah Goku is quite boring, at least in the Z era and beyond of the anime, doubly so in the English version. In dragonball he was interesting because of his unpredictability and Wild Child moments, once Z hit and he just became more and more generic Boring Invincible Hero.

The most interesting things since the end of Dragonball has been the return of Goku's more selfishness and immaturity personality quirks in super.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#64604: Sep 22nd 2017 at 8:58:13 AM

The Android saga is one of my favorite sagas, despite its many flaws, partly because it doesn't have that much Goku in it.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#64605: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:00:58 AM

I've actually enjoyed how much whining Goku caused in the past and during Super.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64606: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:09:20 AM

I don't really think most of the characters are more interesting that Goku, actually. I've always felt in situations like this it's a grass is greener scenario for the most part. People assuming the other characters are more interesting just because we don't see them as often, but actually make them the main character, and I'm sure that tone would change, not right away, but it would happen.

Like, the characters in this series are frankly not that complex, even if people really like to pump up a lot of them, in large part to tear down Goku, cough*Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo*cough.

edited 22nd Sep '17 9:09:32 AM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64607: Sep 22nd 2017 at 9:15:56 AM

I rather like most of the characters its just theres not much that can be done with them after the end causs yeah these are very simple characters.

Old-school shonen after all.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#64608: Sep 22nd 2017 at 10:19:43 AM

All the characters are pretty simple, however even simple characters can still be interesting to watch. It all depends on how they are utilized.

Goku is simple and not used in an interesting way, the most interesting thing Goku does in all of Z is give up during the Cell fight.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64609: Sep 22nd 2017 at 10:26:02 AM

Even if you think that Goku is boring, that doesn't make the others more interesting or the way they're but to use more interesting.

Going back to those other three, they each keep getting the same old recycled plot points. I have to imagine at some point seeing Piccolo sacrifice himself for Gohan or go on about how Vegeta has changed without showing it most of the time is going to get boring.

All of these are just general writing issues though.

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#64610: Sep 22nd 2017 at 10:31:20 AM

[up][up]I like Goku. I preferred how he was portrayed in the English dub, because Sean Schemmel's voice was a lot easier to take seriously than Masako Nozawa's. Z wasn't perfect, but it was kind of different from other shonen series in that much of its cast were adults with families of their own, and I liked that. That said, though, Goku's real story comes to its climax when he becomes a Super Saiyan and defeats Freeza. The later arcs didn't really focus on him, even though he did most of the work against Buu.

edited 22nd Sep '17 10:31:45 AM by RedM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#64611: Sep 22nd 2017 at 10:31:51 AM

Yeah, there's a difference between "doesn't get much character development" and "boring." Dragonball as a series has always tended to have a static main character (Goku) whose strong but uncomplicated personality is the glue that brings together other characters that may or may not be going through their own, more developed character arcs.

Goku's never been intended to be the character intended to go through shit and comes out different on the other side. He's more the character who changes others by way of them having known him.

edited 22nd Sep '17 10:32:43 AM by KnownUnknown

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#64612: Sep 22nd 2017 at 10:39:33 AM

[up]I see him as sort of the Superman of the group. Unambiguously good, paternal-ish, heroic, but ultimately pretty self-realized in the sense that Gohan, Piccolo, and Vegeta weren't, which is why they got arcs that developed them. In the same way that a lot of Justice League stories have the other, non-Superman characters developing while Superman benevolently presides. Post-Crisis, pre-New 52 Superman, that is.

edited 22nd Sep '17 10:40:50 AM by RedM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64613: Sep 22nd 2017 at 12:21:05 PM

I got Xenoverse 2 for Switch. Unfortunately, my efforts to create Danny Devito as my player character didn't work so well.

Can I re-customize my appearance later without having to make a whole new character, or is it locked in?

edited 22nd Sep '17 12:28:32 PM by Anomalocaris20

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64615: Sep 22nd 2017 at 1:24:06 PM

Ah, okay.

And for physical copy buyers, it seems the "pre-order bonus" of XV 1's story and having all characters unlocked from the start are just free downloads from the eShop until October 31st. All four current DLC packs are available too, individually or bundled at a discount.

I'm glad I can download the story without having everyone pre-unlocked, I prefer unlocking stuff. tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64616: Sep 22nd 2017 at 2:12:18 PM

I slso like unlocking stuff but the option of just going "fuck it, unlock evetything else" is nice and I wish Steam got it because it's hard for me to find time for games between full time work and study

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64617: Sep 22nd 2017 at 2:13:35 PM

...I created Old Man Henderson. Time to get started.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#64618: Sep 22nd 2017 at 2:16:25 PM

[up][up] Being an Adult makes playing games very hard.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64619: Sep 22nd 2017 at 5:40:38 PM

I don't want to flood the thread with questions, but if I get duplicates of clothing items (like, say, two Goku's Damaged Turtle Hermit Gis) should I just sell the extra? Is there any point to keeping more than one?

Also, is it worthwhile buying clothes/skills that aren't compatible with my custom character? Are items shared between them if I make another?

edited 22nd Sep '17 5:41:35 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#64620: Sep 22nd 2017 at 5:49:58 PM

Provisional titles are out for 111-113 (AKA the three episodes after the special):

Based on those titles I'm predicting that maybe Goku gets knocked out, not eliminated though, during his first fight with Jiren and that leads Jiren to setting his sights on Hit and then Vegeta.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#64621: Sep 22nd 2017 at 5:50:28 PM

[up][up]Not sure. Haven't played Xenoverse 2 since I don't have any systems that can play it. I'll probably get the PC version, so I can play as Kermit the Frog, or wait for a Sonichu mod and play as him.

edited 22nd Sep '17 5:50:44 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#64622: Sep 22nd 2017 at 5:51:26 PM

[up][up][up] Are multiple files not a thing on the switch? Because the extras are usually to share outfits between characters.

edited 22nd Sep '17 5:52:00 PM by TwistedGear

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#64623: Sep 22nd 2017 at 6:18:39 PM

I've been mulling over Universe 11, and I think I know a good reason why it doesn't fit the 7 or above ranking Zen'o desires-their Black-and-White Morality. Dragonball Super seems to be Graying Morality. The gods of destruction have to be morally neutral/somewhat amoral by job description, Gowasu makes it clear that God Is Flawed, Humans Are Flawed and there's a balance between good and evil. Zamasu went nuts because he couldn't accept that.

The Pride Troopers are the most powerful force in Universe 11, however their instance on a black and white view could be contributing to the average mortal level being under 7. It's possible that Toppo was chosen as Belmod's apprentice rather than the stronger Jiren because Toppo agrees with Belmod's moral absolutism, while Jiren the Grey believes in Grey-and-Gray Morality. He doesn't share the views of most of the Pride Troopers, which is why he wasn't chosen despite his strength. It's also why he's the most focused.

I see Belmod as a medium between Arack and Sidra in terms of benevolent destroyer deities. Sidra is what happens when a god of destruction is Stupid Good. He's paralyzed by the enormity of his job, the acts of necessary evil he must commit. Meanwhile Arack has a good heart, but unlike Belmod he realizes the complexities of morality which is why his is one of the four universes Zen'o sees as ideal

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64624: Sep 22nd 2017 at 6:22:12 PM

Twisted Gear is right, having multiples of the same costume item allows you to equip them on that many characters at once.

Also, you can use costume items to make QQ bangs.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#64625: Sep 22nd 2017 at 7:21:54 PM

[up][up]

Watch Jiren turn out to be a former villain turned good.


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