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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64276: Sep 18th 2017 at 2:52:30 AM

The part about Cell and Gohan's battle attracting Boo is fanon.

Goku being present is what set Vegeta off, and then Goku chose to fight on even terms rather than use Super Saiyan 3. Thus, Boo was released.

Very easy to blame Goku (and Vegeta) for that one.

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#64277: Sep 18th 2017 at 2:58:52 AM

Right yeah, I was connecting Babidi's reason for being there to Shin's knowledge of Gohan's power.

So while Buu being released is definitely Goku (and Vegeta)'s fault, Babidi's presence in the first place isn't.

edited 18th Sep '17 2:59:26 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64278: Sep 18th 2017 at 6:23:51 AM

Yeah. It's just plot contrivance (of the necessary kind) that Babidi chose that exact day to look for energy.

I mean, if Gohan had never met Videl, he'd have never been at the tournament, and thus Babidi would have missed his chance for Energy too. It was all fate.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#64279: Sep 18th 2017 at 6:27:32 AM

Hey it is a story.

It has to work for maximum entertainment.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#64280: Sep 18th 2017 at 6:32:55 AM

Well, Dragonball has always been the story of the plot either finding the heroes while they're minding their own business, or the heroes stumbling upon the plot while said plot is doing it's own thing and fucking everything up.

Tradition is important and all.cool

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#64281: Sep 18th 2017 at 6:59:37 AM

And things always have to happen after a timeskip because of the dragon balls...

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Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
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#64282: Sep 18th 2017 at 7:31:09 AM

Hilariously every major problem post Cell Saga is tied to Goku not staying dead.

- Buu only came back because Vegeta wanted to fight Goku bad enough to not care about stopping Babidi. So if Goku stays dead and doesn't come back to fight in the World Martial Arts Tournament Vegeta would just clown Babidi's men and that'd be it.

- Beerus only woke up because of Goku's battle with Buu. So he'd stay asleep.

- Freeze only decided to train and obtain his golden form due to hearing that Goku had become strong enough to fight Buu and Beerus. So otherwise he'd just attack Earth again immediately after being revived and get iced by Vegeta and/or Piccolo.

- If Beerus doesn't wake up there's no tournament with Universe 6.

- If there's no tournament Gowasu doesn't see Goku fight so Goku never spars with Zamasu. So Zamasu doesn't become afraid of mortals, so no Goku Black Arc.

- No U6 tournament means no Tournament of Power.

Interesting to think about.

edited 18th Sep '17 7:33:26 AM by Larfleeze

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64283: Sep 18th 2017 at 7:57:40 AM

To be fair, Zamasu was already hating mortals before he met Goku. Goku just pushed him over the edge he was already close to.

edited 18th Sep '17 7:58:02 AM by Hobgoblin

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#64284: Sep 18th 2017 at 10:14:19 AM

[up][up] You're wrong on one point: Beerus didn't wake up because of Goku's battle with Boo, he woke up because of some sort of prophecy about the Super Saiyan God. If Goku had been dead, he'd have gone to Earth, partied for a while, then peaced out (since Boo wouldn't be around to make him angry).

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#64286: Sep 18th 2017 at 10:34:59 AM

Also, are we ignoring that if there's no Tournament of Power then Universe 7 just gets obliterated with no one even knowing it's coming?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#64287: Sep 18th 2017 at 10:43:22 AM

It doesn't matter...

Nature goes on, and a new universe takes its place potentially.

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Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
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#64288: Sep 18th 2017 at 10:46:33 AM

Or Zen'o just forgets about it entirely because he's a kid and can't even count to seven.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64289: Sep 18th 2017 at 10:57:54 AM

Doubtful. He might not destroy it in our "heroes" lifetimes, but it's probably something he'd get around to. Especially if the thoughts about the Grand Priest wanting it done for some ulterior motive are correct.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#64290: Sep 18th 2017 at 11:09:01 AM

[up][up]He thinks there's too many universes because he can't count to seven.

edited 18th Sep '17 11:09:26 AM by Moth13

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#64291: Sep 18th 2017 at 11:46:09 AM

Even Beerus pointed out that he forgot about the tournament anyway, and I doubt he'd randomly erase U7 without first warning Goku at least....

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#64292: Sep 18th 2017 at 12:10:12 PM

[up] Huh well ain't that nice of him.

Bulma made friendlies with the wrong God. tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64293: Sep 18th 2017 at 1:44:24 PM

Future Trunks' timeline hadn't been erased. Unless we get an explanation for that, we can't assume Zen-Oh would definitely do it unprovoked.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64294: Sep 18th 2017 at 1:47:10 PM

I know what you mean, but it still seems weird to call the tournament a provocation, when he's the one who decided to destroy the losing ones, along with which ones didn't have to participate.

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#64295: Sep 18th 2017 at 4:09:18 PM

I think the Tournament of Power is the arc Goku is most at fault for causing. No other arc has Goku literally request that it happen.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64296: Sep 18th 2017 at 4:15:12 PM

Even if it doesn't happen in the lifetimes of the characters, does that make it any better? Their souls are still erased.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#64297: Sep 18th 2017 at 4:15:48 PM

@Future Trunks timeline not being erased

Zen'O is (as far as we know) immortal and as old as creation itself. Twenty years is nothing to him. Just because he hadn't gotten around to it by then doesn't mean he wouldn't a couple of centuries or millenia down the line.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#64298: Sep 18th 2017 at 4:19:55 PM

[up][up]Again it doesn't matter, it's just the natural order of all the DBZ Universe.

Let all these characters get moxed up...no matter when it happens.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#64299: Sep 18th 2017 at 5:47:30 PM

I think the Tournament of Power is the arc Goku is most at fault for causing. No other arc has Goku literally request that it happen.

I still give it to the Android Arc since it was still the most avoidable. They had the opportunity to put a stop to Gero ahead of time but choose not to because they wanted to fight the androids.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64300: Sep 18th 2017 at 5:49:45 PM

Though that was less Goku and more everyone except Bulma.


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