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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#64026: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:06:04 PM

[up]Well, yeah, but Miyazaki's complaints weren't so much that modern stuff is too derivative, but that modern anime/manga is full of characters who act like, (and are animated like,) stock anime characters instead of real people.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#64027: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:11:55 PM

[up] Oh yeah that's true.

Characters are too much like clichés instead of believable (for a relative term) people.

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#64028: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:21:07 PM

So I watched a bit of Resurrection F last night, and there's this bit at the end where Goku says something like, "They're right, Vegeta, if we teamed up, we'd be unstoppable!" And Vegeta says he'd rather die, and Goku's like, "Haha, me too."

...Umm... Didn't they get over that in the Buu Saga? Wasn't that whole arc about Vegeta getting over his pride by 1. Sacrificing himself to save his family, 2. Fusing with Goku, 3. Admitting Goku was his better and the one who could beat Buu, and 4. Offering to buy Goku the time he needed, thus showing that he had matured to the point where he didn't need to prove that he was the strongest? It just seems weird that the movie's like, "Hey, remember how they teamed up and kinda became friends to defeat Buu like, a year ago? Yeah, forget that."

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#64029: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:24:29 PM

Goku and Vegeta only team up when they have to fight multiple opponents and they only fuse when fighting an opponent who is also a fusion of multiple people.

edited 15th Sep '17 3:26:11 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64030: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:27:39 PM

Of course, Goku also tried to persuade Vegeta multiple times to fu** against an opponent that was no longer fused (Evil Boo) and then regretted destroying the potara against Pure Boo. Plus he mentioned wanting to fu** with Vegeta against Fat Boo as well.

So, no. Circumstances (plot) may have dictated that they only fu**ed against a character who had his own absorptions, but Goku very explicitly didn't care about that and Vegeta never brings it up either. The real story is that they fu**ed because it was the only option, and the reason Vegeta broke the potara after that is because he'd been handed a "get out of potara free" card and wasn't willing to waste it.

Even in the new content, Goku considered Vegetto against Beerus but dismissed it because he thought it'd be insufficient. And he's had no trouble working with his enemies before (teamed up with Piccolo, asked Vegeta to fight Fat Boo together with him).

edited 15th Sep '17 3:29:03 PM by Saiga

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#64031: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:31:31 PM

What does fusion have to do with fighting together?

They were willing to do it inside Boo...but for Freezerator they just pride to death.

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#64032: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:34:41 PM

[up][up]..."fu**"?

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#64034: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:42:44 PM

Alright everyone. Get Saiga.

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#64035: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:44:38 PM

In response to Saiga - I know, that's why I think it's weird that Resurrection F is suddenly like, "Nah, these guys don't wanna work together anymore." Heck, Goku teams up with Piccolo in the very beginning of Z, this being the same guy who almost killed him five years prior. He's got no problem with teaming up when the chips are down and he thinks it'll help. Vegeta doesn't either, after the Buu Saga. They're just ignoring past character development.

Then again, this is just a symptom of the problem the movie had. There weren't really any stakes. Back in Z, the heroes were terrified of Frieza because he was always hopelessly stronger than them. They were throwing out Hail Mary after Hail Mary to stop him. In Resurrection F, the whole thing is treated like a friendly sparring match with a little bit of animosity thrown in. I've been more emotional while playing Super Smash Brothers than Goku was while fighting for his life. And rather than having Frieza be this invincible maniac who was only defeated by a Deus Ex Machina (the good kind, the kind that gets foreshadowed,) when Goku turns Super Saiyan for the first time, in this movie, Frieza just powers up to a new form that puts him at a moderate advantage until he gets tuckered out. It's a real anticlimax.

edited 15th Sep '17 3:47:41 PM by RedM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#64036: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:49:44 PM

To be fair, I think it's a better idea to have Freeza come back as an anti-climax than to try taking him seriously as a threat. His time is done.

My issue was more that a) anyone took him seriously, they tried to build him up big time before Goku actually showed up and b) the movie was so barebones and lacked the same level of humour BOG had.

At least half of BOG's screentime was spent not really having a threat. If you had that variety and level of humour in Resurrection F you wouldn't need Freeza to be a serious threat at all for things to work.

My absolute utopian ideal is to just not a Freeza movie to begin with but eh

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#64037: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:51:17 PM

Super rolled back some of Vegeta character development that's for sure.

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#64038: Sep 15th 2017 at 4:38:06 PM

I can't really say I didn't like the concept of Freeza coming back, but the execution was pretty...boring.

I didn't want the movie to treat Frieza too seriously (which it failed at), but at the same time, it undermined it's own premise by making it clear that Frieza had no chance to begin with.

If it had a nice blend of humor and seriousness like Bo G, I probably would have liked it better. At least it led to a memorable second comeback lol.

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#64039: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:18:04 PM

Zen-oh is a terrible Top God. Anyone else on that page would be more preferable.

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#64040: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:30:11 PM

He really is just the worst. He's just so... boring. He's literally just a child who considers a rousing game of xenocide to be mild amusement. Every deity or being of power should be constantly conspiring about how to remove his blight from the multiverse.

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#64041: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:31:34 PM

I mean, not like they could do anything to him to begin with.

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#64042: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:32:03 PM

Which just makes him that much more boring.

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#64043: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:33:56 PM

The only interesting thing about Zeno is that fan theory that he represents the Dragon Ball audience.

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#64044: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:34:14 PM

Well blame Toriyama and his constant hard-on for subverting audience expectations.

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#64045: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:36:03 PM

I still think U1's Kai and God of Destruction should be the new Grand Priest and Ruler of the Multiverse, respectively.

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#64046: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:37:14 PM

But wouldn't the Hakaishin's attendant be the Grand Priest?

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#64047: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:46:38 PM

I like Zen-Oh, in that I find him a very scary villain in a different way than every other antagonist Dragon Ball's been.

edited 15th Sep '17 5:46:54 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#64048: Sep 15th 2017 at 7:48:57 PM

Zen'o seems like a much bigger Beerus. Childish, amoral yet very friendly and open if things are right. While the destruction of universes seems like a Moral Event Horizon, from a larger perspective he's merely doing what Beerus does-destroy the imperfect and allow the whole to prosper. It's just that it's being done on a much larger level.

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#64049: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:27:22 PM

[up]Let's be honest, if Frieza thinks something is terribly wrong with Zen-oh, then you know something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#64050: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:54:31 PM

[up] Freeza has an issue with Zeno's attitude more than his actions.


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