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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#64001: Sep 14th 2017 at 2:07:22 PM

I think that's more due to the Saiyans being a force for good in U6 instead of anything Champa's done.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#64002: Sep 14th 2017 at 2:09:18 PM

Mmm, one thing I'd like would be Universe 6 having a lower mortal level than Universe 7 until Beerus wished 6's Earth back.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#64003: Sep 14th 2017 at 2:12:36 PM

Wasn't Earth 6 a barbaric shit-hole that drove itself into extinction?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#64004: Sep 14th 2017 at 2:44:01 PM

The old one, not the new one.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#64005: Sep 14th 2017 at 3:13:36 PM

[up][up]wild mass guessThe war that destroy U6!Earth was started by a mad scientist, named Dr. Jeró.wild mass guess

Not sure why I bothered to say that.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#64006: Sep 14th 2017 at 3:18:26 PM

[up][up][up] Yes, but when Beerus wished it restored, he specifically also wished that it be restored as a copy, essentially, of U7's Earth, with the more peaceful society rather than the warlike one the original U6 Earth had.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#64007: Sep 14th 2017 at 3:30:32 PM

So in other words, Beerus screwed himself over by restoring U6 earth, since U6 might have been worse before then?

Heh. That's typical.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64008: Sep 14th 2017 at 3:35:50 PM

Eh, not really. Universe 6's position really doesn't change anything for Universe 7. Whether they had the second lowest ranking or the third, they'd still be a candidate for erasure.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64009: Sep 14th 2017 at 3:40:34 PM

It would be more amusing if that was something that came up between a personal argument that Champa uses to brag about.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#64010: Sep 14th 2017 at 8:41:27 PM

So question, but was that statement about Super Vegito possibly being stronger than a SS4 stated in the GT Perfect Files, or was it in something else?

edited 14th Sep '17 8:41:39 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#64011: Sep 14th 2017 at 10:06:18 PM

This tournmanet makes me wonder if the other six universes Zen'o destroyed were done so because they were even shittier than Universe 7 and 9

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64012: Sep 14th 2017 at 10:08:46 PM

They've been pretty clear about this. All the universes on the chopping block have a "mortal level" lower than 7. The only one worse than 7 by that metric is 9. There's really not anything to wonder about.

edited 14th Sep '17 10:09:06 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#64013: Sep 15th 2017 at 1:19:07 AM

This randomly occurred to my thoughts...

But is it weird how though Primary 17 and 18 became good fellas...

Future 18 and 17 just get tore up by Future Trunks brutally...?

edited 15th Sep '17 1:19:34 AM by randomness4

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#64014: Sep 15th 2017 at 2:18:19 AM

Future 17 and 18 got torn up after over a decade of murdering and marauding their way across the world. The "turn over a new leaf" ship had very much sailed by that point.

In contrast, Present 17 and 18 had a very nasty goal, but didn't much qualify as malevolent while pursuing it - at least in comparison to other Dragonball antagonists - with a fair amount of Pet the Dog moments.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#64015: Sep 15th 2017 at 2:25:55 AM

Didn't qualify...as in...they beat up the people who attacked them, stole a van, and accomplished nothing else.

But I still think it was too early for Future 18 and 17.

edited 15th Sep '17 2:26:40 AM by randomness4

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64016: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:11:09 AM

Future 17 and 18 had no one to focus their hate on with Goku dead and just decided to go all in on destructive pastimes.

The combination of Goku being alive in the main era, 16 providing a somewhat positive influence, Cell coming back from the future to absorb them, and Krillin having an opportunity to show kindness to 17 and 18 is what prevents their present counterparts from following the same path.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64017: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:18:05 AM

There's a lot of guess work there.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#64018: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:21:01 AM

Well, I mean, I believe 17 did say that even though they didn't like Gero, they might as well kill Goku anyway because it'd be fun. So having Goku to focus on prevented them from deciding to blow up cities for giggles. And Cell being against them did give them an enemy of my enemy situation with the heroes that let them fight against a common adversary.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#64019: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:49:15 AM

The Androids in Trunks future just straight up hated humanity. The ones in the main timeline never expressed that.

And I frankly think people overrate how much of an influence 16 had on them. It seemed much more one-sided in the other direction.

edited 15th Sep '17 8:49:44 AM by LSBK

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#64020: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:50:24 AM

I think I remember the reasoning being that while Future 17 and 18's lives had essentially been abused > experimented on by Dr. Gero > Dr. Gero betraying them, they hadn't felt any good in their lives and turned on humanity with their new powers because why should they care?

However in the present they were shown compassion from the Z Fighters when fighting Cell (18 especially, if you catch my drift) as well as meeting 16, and that helped them develop sympathy and compassion themselves.

edited 15th Sep '17 8:50:50 AM by EpicBleye

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#64021: Sep 15th 2017 at 10:33:10 AM

Toriyama on the state of manga nowadays. He thinks that manga is much higher quality than it was in his time, but it's also less original and the writers follow trends more. Kind of interesting, considering Dragon Ball is one of the most influential works in the industry.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#64022: Sep 15th 2017 at 11:31:27 AM

"Hey, everyone, stop copying me!"

-Toriyama probably tongue

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#64023: Sep 15th 2017 at 11:36:33 AM

[up][up],[up] Probably not what he intended, but his criticism kind of reminds me of Miyazaki's towards the anime industry creators and how they take too much influence from within the industry.

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#64024: Sep 15th 2017 at 2:52:03 PM

[up]Yeah, both complaints basically say that manga/anime has become this snake eating its own tail that tries to emulate artificial anime cliches instead of reality.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#64025: Sep 15th 2017 at 2:54:33 PM

No one is doing their own shit, no originality or innovation.

Just aping the stuff that inspires you but to much in the end.

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