Toriayama: Became Disinterested in Fighting Manga, quote:
That makes me feel bad for him. That's partly why spin-offs don't bother me and why I've given up on searching for consistency. Battle of Gods just was. I feel like Toriyama's entering his Stan Lee period, where he's just making cameos in major blockbusters/feature films and not making a big storm about it. He's just calmly looking back on his life's work and poking at it with a fork and smiling.
I don't really fault Toriyama for coming up with the absurdity we saw in Episode of Bardock(?), or further issues with power levels. Everything after the Buu Saga has been comedy skit after comedy skit. If that's how he's easing into old age, let him. Hell, I think if I wrote an award winning fiction that gained such renown, I'd be poking fun at it in my later years the same way. With doujinshi like Dragonball AF and web comics like Multiverse, honestly, it's not like there aren't talented individuals who could produce a loyal, Expanded Universe reboot, if given the time.
Of course, if there were a reboot, and say Toriyama decided to pass on the reigns, I think a good number of fans would be waiting out on his (or the new director's) lawn with napalm and billy clubs. So if there is a possibility of a reboot, I hope he kicks into gear before he gets to the point where he plain can't sit down and draw for hours on end anymore.
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Absolutely nothing? We're not talking "he did the character designs and let them go to town". Regardless.
edited 6th May '14 1:44:55 PM by FOFD
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You make a good point. I mean now that I think about it he has really become the Stan Lee of manga. He legacy will forever remain God-like and he doesn't necessarily have to make awesome contributions all time, just the little tidbit here and there.
That's probably why we've gotten so much exposition in the last few months that may see small to him but big to us.
Not consistent with what? None of that is inconsistent with the manga, and it's not billed as being consistent with the original special or anime, nor does it have any reason to be.
I think the biggest contradiction is that it removed Bardock's last stand against Frieza. Even in the manga, Frieza refers to Bardock as the Saiyan who stood against him when he destroyed Planet Vegeta, and yet Dragon Ball Minus makes absolutely no mention of that ever happening, and instead implies that Bardock died along with the rest of his race after the one month period doing nothing of significance.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!DB- is just a checklist. "Oh, I need to show Goku's mom. Moving on. Oh, I need to show baby Goku. Moving on. Oh, I need to show Raditz and Vegeta. Moving on. Oh, I need to show Frieza. Moving on."
DB- is legitimately awful. It's the first Dragonball-related thing Toriyama's done that I absolutely hate. I don't understand why he even bothered doing this when it was so shit compared to the Bardock special. As Saiga pointed out, the one good thing about DB- is it kept Bardock's power level low... but it still made him special in that he was a family man instead of the gruff soldier he'd most likely be.
Edit: About Bardock's ~10K power level in the special: In all honesty, they could just go back and change the scientist's dialog to say his power level was something like 1800, but climbing. It really doesn't affect his battle portrayal. When he faced the elites (re: mid-classes) Dodoria sent to kill him, he didn't overpower them, he outsmarted them. The next battle feat he had was barely surviving Dodoria's mouth blast. What that means is, apart from that scientist's one line, Bardock being a legit low-class-level Saiyan in the special is pretty much what's shown.
edited 7th May '14 4:58:17 PM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."That said, though, I'm kind of willing to accept the Strictly Formula Gine if the alternative is "strongest saiyan alive period" Hanasia. Shame that Gine did wind up being Strictly Formula, though.
I wouldn't've minded the whole chef thing if she was able to fight as well as that.
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — UltimatepheerI really liked that Goku's father was some low-class trash. Made it feel like all he got he got on his own. Look at Naruto, who is descended from super special awesome people and has all these powers only they had, or Yusuke Urameshi, who is descended from the super special awesomest demon evah, and has super special awesome demon powers because of it, etc.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."I totally prefer Gine to Hanasia. Her being a low-class fighter like Bardock (and not peaceful or gentle like a Saiyan shouldn't be) would be best though.
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One more thing about Toriyama's checklist:
"I need to shove a poorly placed reference to Battle of Gods in here that messes with continuity!"
edited 8th May '14 7:52:50 PM by Saiga
That was an early rumor/mistranslation about the film.
@DB-, Frieza randomly mentioning Super Saiyan God came right the fuck out of nowhere. And then he, in a rather shitty way, reference the lie he's gonna tell Vegeta and the other too about a comet.
edited 9th May '14 7:16:52 AM by Cruherrx
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."I like the idea of the Original Super Saiyan being an SSG. But I also like the anime's brief depiction of him as a Golden Great Ape.
...Maybe he was a Red Great Ape.
And while we're on the topic, I saw a Youtube commentor suggest that SSG recursively makes Goku's sudden overwhelming powerup against Broly more watchable – he suggested that him absorbing Trunks', Gohan's, Piccolo's, and Vegeta's energy allowed him to briefly tap into the SSG's power. I'm not sure I entirely agree, but it's a pretty interesting theory.
edited 9th May '14 8:38:25 AM by BaffleBlend
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About the Super Saiyan God thing, how would he have even learned about it? None of the saiyans knew about it, King Kai didn't know about it, the Supreme Kais possibly didn't know about it, hell the only people who knew were Shenron, which really doesn't make any sense, and Beerus; why wasn't he mentioned as at least the one who told him that.
It just doesn't make sense, and contradicts the film. Toriyama does a lot of that, like when he gave a contradictory explanation for why Beerus destroyed Kaio's planet to the reason the film gave.
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What idea? DB- didn't mean Super Saiyan God was the legend, and Battle of Gods is pretty clear that this is not the case.
It seems like Toriyama is either incapable of keeping track of anything he does, or just doesn't care enough to bother.
Considering he's more about Gag Manga where Rule of Funny reigns over everything, it makes sense.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, I know this has probably been asked before, but do we have 100% confirmation that he really just forgot about her?
One Strip! One Strip!

I also think he does not want to make another long runner I can't remember where I have heard that, but that could of of change.
edited 6th May '14 12:49:59 PM by theweirdKiddokun
The Reaper Games starts anew.