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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63951: Sep 10th 2017 at 1:37:44 PM

The chances of Vegeta having a new form are nonexistent, but I was bored and wanted second opinions.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63952: Sep 10th 2017 at 1:39:30 PM

While the video is reaching, I have been wondering for some time now when the Chekhov's Skill of "training your body to act independently of itself" will come into play.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63953: Sep 10th 2017 at 1:48:32 PM

Thanks guys, I'm pretty happy with that joke. ('^__^)>

[up][up]Well, he starts his argument by showing Vegeta blowing shit up and concluding it's a proof of finely tuned ki control. It's just goes down from there...

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63954: Sep 10th 2017 at 1:53:41 PM

If Vegeta does achieve a new form it will be the same way he always does (with the exception of Grade II):

After Goku does it.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63955: Sep 10th 2017 at 2:03:16 PM

Goku achieves a Limit Break. The best Vegeta can hope for is a Catch Up.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63956: Sep 10th 2017 at 2:08:34 PM

At least he can somewhat catch up.

The others started off miles behind Goku. Tien and Roshi were arguably the only exceptions, and even they were blown away completely later on.

Hell, it's funny to think to see the difference between Goku and Tien's fight in the 22nd budokai fight (where Tien could have legitimately won with something beyond dumb luck) and their 23 fight, where he was completely outmatched from the get go, and only at best managed to get Goku to take his shirt and boots off.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#63957: Sep 10th 2017 at 2:08:41 PM

I mean, if they're making Goku the creator of the God-Blue trick in the anime, couldn't they make Vegeta the creator of the Completed Super Saiyan Blue to compensate?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63958: Sep 10th 2017 at 2:10:01 PM

No. That's not how it works, and that will never be how it works.

It'd be cool, but that's not how their gonna do it.

Goku leads, everyone else follows behind to varying degrees. That's how it is, and that's how it's always gonna be.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63959: Sep 10th 2017 at 2:11:11 PM

Super Sayian Blue is so last season anyway.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63960: Sep 10th 2017 at 2:21:47 PM

Super Saiyan Blue was barely this season.

I kinda liked it though. Can't say why, but I did.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63961: Sep 10th 2017 at 2:23:39 PM

I mean, they did have Vegeta bullshit his way to godly ki and Blue just by training really hard.

edited 10th Sep '17 4:30:30 PM by LSBK

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63962: Sep 10th 2017 at 4:25:44 PM

This discussion actually got me watching some prediction/theory videos about the tournaments, and man the one that got posted isn't actually reaching all that far in comparison. Some of the stuff out there is literally just wishful thinking packaged as a theory.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63963: Sep 10th 2017 at 8:42:21 PM

I just had an idea. What if a future arc of Super was kind of a New Gods thing? It would be about the various God of Destruction candidates taking over as Hakaishin and dealing with the interuniversal politics and responsibilities that come with the position.

Vegeta would take over for Beerus since Goku doesn't want it. Toppo would take over for Vermoud since Jiren's not interested. Freeza would take Sidre's position, maybe. If the 'goddess' part of the spoilers is referring to what I hope it's referring to, Ribrianne replaces Helles. Hit might be interested, depending on how he feels about the similarities between God of Destruction and Assassin as jobs. Maybe one or two new guys from the top four universes.

Could be a neat arc, especially with how it advances the World of the Gods narrative Super has.

edited 10th Sep '17 8:43:55 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#63964: Sep 10th 2017 at 9:25:34 PM

What happened to the old gods then?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63965: Sep 10th 2017 at 10:02:37 PM

They either retire permanently, take a temporary vacation, or die to the arc's antagonist.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63966: Sep 11th 2017 at 5:59:05 AM

Being Universe 9 is suffering.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#63967: Sep 11th 2017 at 6:25:44 AM

Nobody cares about Universe 9.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#63968: Sep 11th 2017 at 12:48:57 PM

The 3 Secret Cards of Super DBH Mission 6 have been revealed!

  • Super Kaioken Time Patrol Vegetto
  • Dark Dragonball Kid Buu (Demon God Dabura/Janemba Absorbed)
  • Grand Priest

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63969: Sep 11th 2017 at 1:01:27 PM

Plain Super Saiyan Vegito, using Kaioken? He's probably died before he defused.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#63970: Sep 11th 2017 at 1:17:12 PM

It's Time Patrol Vegetto, I'm sure he figured something out.

Plus in Heroes, there's only Kaioken by itself so it doesn't really account for the different multipliers of Kaioken like x3, x10 or x20. For example, despite being called just "Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken", that form of Goku looks more like the x10 Kaioken Blue with the very reddish-looking body.

Who knows how many stacks of Kaioken the fusion is using!

edited 11th Sep '17 1:18:45 PM by Rinsankajugin

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63971: Sep 11th 2017 at 3:04:33 PM

I'm actually surprised Heroes didn't use Super Saiyan Kaioken earlier. There was precedent, what with the Otherworld Tournament.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#63972: Sep 11th 2017 at 8:50:30 PM

Late, but I don't Gotenks would be that big of a help in the ToP considering that Universe 7 would either need to have 11 fighters or 9 fighters. And Gotenks can only stay fused for about five minutes while using Super Saiyan 3.

Namek time is a thing, yes, but it would still mean that Gotenks would be out of the tournament well before things got good and started. As I recall, Universe 9 lasted more than five minutes before they were eliminated.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63973: Sep 11th 2017 at 10:18:41 PM

Goten and Trunks individually are useful.

Gotenks for 30 minutes is overkill and doesn't even drain their stamina.

Super Gotenks for 5 minutes is overkill over overkill and they can always hide after the fusion. We've had people get injured or knocked out and rely on hiding to recover energy.

Super Gotenks doesn't have to be their go-to strategy to make them obvious choices. But having it as an option is a huge benefit, as it never hurts to have options.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63975: Sep 12th 2017 at 1:43:51 AM

They kind of already do.


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