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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#63901: Sep 9th 2017 at 5:05:37 PM

Side characters matter...?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63902: Sep 9th 2017 at 5:12:01 PM

Not really.

If the bird man (Toriyama) has something he wants to do with them, he does it, but they have their role most of the time.

Edit: I just remembered. There's not actually a new episode today is there? It's that educational special that was mentioned before if I recall.

edited 9th Sep '17 6:35:06 PM by HandsomeRob

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63903: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:19:24 PM

Remember, the Tournament of Power isn't just about power, despite its name. If it was just about power, Krillin, Tien, and Roshi would have been replaced by three other people.

Yeah, Yamcha is too far gone. Even I could beat him, and I rarely fight.

edited 9th Sep '17 7:21:57 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63904: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:24:02 PM

What about Majin Buu?

"Mai waifu."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63905: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:25:45 PM

They'd be replaced with three others if the tournament made any goddamn sense

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63906: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:26:45 PM

Well, there's Goten and Trunks, but who would be the third?

edited 9th Sep '17 7:32:58 PM by LSBK

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#63907: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:31:37 PM

Actually there was a new episode today, what are you talking about.

I can't believe Tien didn't actually get eliminated because he had discovered the ability to use five copies with the Multi-Form, and then hid behind a rock. Also, he knows the Kaio-Ken AND the Spirit Bomb! ...Then he for real got eliminated by Hit. Oh well, Tien Sucks.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#63908: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:32:02 PM

...Gohan's already on the team.

Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if Krillin, Tien, and Roshi were on the team because Toriyama wanted them on it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63909: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:43:44 PM

I'm thinking it was Toei who wanted them on it and Toriyama apparently just went with it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63910: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:45:39 PM

[up][up][up][up] Majin Boo after waking him up in THE ROOM

Dabra

Cell (way more likely to be into it than Freeza)

Kibito (possibly not allowed)

One of the spare Trunks they have floating around

edited 9th Sep '17 7:45:46 PM by Saiga

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#63911: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:46:05 PM

There's no way the U7 team composition wasn't a Toriyama and Toyotarou decision. I think Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Roshi made it in over Goten, Trunks, and Mr Buu because they're much more popular characters with much larger fanbases.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63912: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:47:12 PM

I hope the manga actually makes sense and actually makes Universe 7 not have three jobbers on the team.

Also, Future Trunks should have been part of the team.

edited 9th Sep '17 7:47:54 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#63913: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:47:31 PM

I still hate that they keep pretending they're gonna use Buu and then cut him out.

It's pissing me off.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63914: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:52:51 PM

[up][up][up] I don't think anyone said otherwise.

[up][up] The line-up will be the same for the manga, barring some twist.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63915: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:57:37 PM

I like Buu a lot too but Frieza has been more entertaining character wise and more interesting plot wise.

Majin Boo after waking him up in THE ROOM

I think they had Vegeta blow up the time chamber (again) just to take that option off the table.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63916: Sep 9th 2017 at 7:59:43 PM

I mean, they could just have Vegeta not do that then. The whole situation felt a bit contrived, and Rob's point about how they shouldn't tease Buu if they're just going to pull him out at the last minute still stands.

edited 9th Sep '17 8:01:11 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63917: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:02:05 PM

It's just stacking shaky logic on top of shaky logic, like a precarious house of cards.

I do see one legitimately good reason not to include Goten/Trunks - and it hasn't been mentioned once by the show. I can see them choosing to exclude the boys because they feel forcing them to erase other universes is just way too much for how young they are. Although I guess if they looked and acted their actual age, it'd be more understandable to include them.

That'd also require the characters to ACTUALLY CARE that they're going to be erasing other universes from the get-go rather than waiting until it starts happening before they briefly get sad over it.

edited 9th Sep '17 8:02:33 PM by Saiga

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63918: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:02:38 PM

[up][up]Yeah, it sucks. At least he finally got a fight though.

edited 9th Sep '17 8:02:51 PM by Moth13

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#63919: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:16:37 PM

Trunks and Goten are also literal children whose only experiences in fights are beating up each other and fighting Buu. And granted, yeah, that's still a hefty task for a seven-year-old and an eight-year-old, but their teammates and opponents are far more experienced than both of them.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63920: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:17:22 PM

Yeah, but it's completely insane to think that would make a difference with their strength being what it is.

Let me put it this way: Goku's experience did not count for shit against Cell. Everyone was aware that if nine-year-old Gohan was stronger than Goku, he's a better match for Cell.

Consider the amount of difference between these two. Now consider Roshi or even Kuririn compared to Super Saiyan Goten, Super Saiyan Gotenks, or Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

edited 9th Sep '17 8:20:21 PM by Saiga

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#63921: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:18:59 PM

Given how little training they seem to do, what does their strength seem to be?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63922: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:22:56 PM

Well, we can't use Super as an example because it's Super.

But it doesn't matter. They started out in the Boo arc being stronger than the Androids (most certainly Piccolo as well) and comparable to the range of the adult Super Saiyans. They have such a gigantic lead on anybody that unless you go Super-Gohan levels of ridiculous atrophy they'd still be really powerful.

Gohan went seven years without training and didn't lose a great deal of power. Goten and Trunks have been shown training in Super and we know they like to spar with each other.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63923: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:25:38 PM

I do see one legitimately good reason not to include Goten/Trunks - and it hasn't been mentioned once by the show. I can see them choosing to exclude the boys because they feel forcing them to erase other universes is just way too much for how young they are.

Huh. That is a good one. Honestly, lets just stick with that one for justification for not using them.

I do wish they'd just kept Future Trunks around so he could have competed (with the option of bringing back his timeline, but I think it's safe to say that when they (Toriyama/Toyotaro/Toei) want the story to go in a specific direction, that's the direction it will go in, logic be damned.

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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63924: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:33:05 PM

Goten is 13 years of age, yet they kept him at 7 years old.

edited 9th Sep '17 8:34:15 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63925: Sep 9th 2017 at 8:44:51 PM

The very least I would do is drop Roshi for Boo (I don't like Freeza coming back, but that's still better than Roshi) and have Bulma successfully adapt Gero's technology so she can make Kuririn and Tenshinhan Androids so that the floor on competence is a lot easier to justify.

I'd still massively prefer Goten/Trunks over Kuririn/Tenshinhan - they're more valuable, you can write them out easily by having them burn energy on fusion without jobbing them, they really need more development and it's more logical over going with popularity or fanservice.

But as a bar minimum, let Roshi stay retired, give Boo some spotlight and at least do something to justify Kuririn and Tenshinhan being involved.


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