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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#63751: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:27:12 PM

[up][up] Well the whole spirit sword I mean.

Even in series where characters don't give a fuck about family DB does it better, just ask Fairy Tail. tongue

[up] It just feels different, I think because Goku purposely does it instead of it happening for no reason.

edited 5th Sep '17 9:27:59 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63752: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:29:14 PM

Yea, that's what I mean. The difference is that the Spirit Bomb was already a plot point that was simply referenced again and yea like you said, there wasn't much of an explanation on how or why Trunks did it.

But in terms of how they were used (Arc ending attacks that involved the entire population contributing), they were the same narratively speaking.

edited 5th Sep '17 9:30:01 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63753: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:35:35 PM

The flashy attack coming out of nowhere and having no explanation is part of what makes it feel modern.

Like being an existing technique is a pretty big difference for the Spirit Bomb seen. It's usually something completely new.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63754: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:39:00 PM

It's not that "modern", Part 3 of Jojo had a similar ending where the main character pulled a new ability out of his ass to beat the villain and that manga ran co-currently with Dragon Ball at the time.

Granted, it was the same ability as the villain and they did explain it, but still lol

edited 5th Sep '17 9:39:40 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63755: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:40:27 PM

I really wish they'd just revealed that Kaioshin called up King Kai and had him teach it to him, but I guess it wasn't in the outline (then again, that attack also wasn't in the outline, even if the Trunks cutting him in half thing was).

I actually like the attack: it's something we'd never seen before in the series (due to weapons not being very useful; every time we see a weapon that isn't the Nyoi-bo being used, it's quickly destroyed), and an interesting re-application of the Spirit Bomb concept.

I don't even care if it's more Modern Anime than the more old school thing DBZ is known for.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63756: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:44:08 PM

Still feels like something you out of a derivative piece, I don't know.

The execution was lacking, I just feel it that way.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#63757: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:48:24 PM

You know, if you watch that scene again, Trunks doesn't create the Spirit Bomb. He has no idea what it is and is baffled by its sudden appearance. In context, it's more like an honest-to-god miracle created out of the devotion of the remaining people to cheer on Trunks and their desire to help him win. If anyone specific starts its creation, it's those two kids.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63758: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:49:58 PM

That just sounds all kinds of cheesy, and not in a good way.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63759: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:52:07 PM

[up] Yeah I think that's it.

Sounds too nambi pambi if you get what I mean. Especially with those two kids involved, eh I think DB should be above that specific kind of nonsense.

edited 5th Sep '17 9:55:23 PM by slimcoder

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#63760: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:52:49 PM

No argument on the cheese, but I love cheese.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#63761: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:01:59 PM

It was definitely cheesy, but I still rather liked the actual technique.

Like most of you, I hated the execution (or at least the lack of a lead up to it).

That being said, I feel like Zamasu just murdering everybody is a weird meta commentary on what a load of bullshit it was.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#63762: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:06:27 PM

I think the Spirit Sword being a "miracle" actually works in the plot, since miracles are generally thought to be caused by gods, and a divine miracle being the thing that finally down Zamasu would basically be the narrative spitting in his face that he is not the righteous being he thinks he is.

But... Wallpaper Zamasu kinda ruins that notion.

I will say Xenoverse 2 actually improved the Spirit Sword thing, by showing that Black ripped a hole in time itself with that scythe thing, and Trunks was getting energy not just from his ruined Earth, but also a bunch of characters in alternate timelines through that rift. Certainly goes a long way to explaining why it's so powerful.

edited 5th Sep '17 10:07:46 PM by DarkHunter

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#63763: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:11:38 PM

It is pretty hilarious how all of Zamasu's talk about the futility of mortals trying to oppose a god basically gets proven true, since the only way they were able to defeat him was to call Zen-o over.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63764: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:12:16 PM

@Yakazu It's all those things being present together, along with the cheesiness and framing of the scene, that makes it feel more modern.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63765: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:16:33 PM

Ok lets see we have a bishie protagonist with a sword who barely looks worse for wear with a woman by his side faces an unstoppable threat and gets powered up by the hopes & dreams of a bunch of people namely some cute kids where he then totally kicks the guys ass.

Yeah its all those things that add into something most definitely not Dragon Ball.

edited 5th Sep '17 10:19:08 PM by slimcoder

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#63766: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:22:05 PM

It's also the lead up that makes them feel different. Dragonball being an ongoing series, Goku defeating Buu with the Spirit Bomb is a strengthened by the various times we've seen the Spirit Bomb used with increasing power yet not fully finish opponents. It's essentially a Chekhov's Boomerang - ending the final villain of the series with something that has been a recurring element in the audience's experience with it for some time.

But Super is a continuation made decades later, outside of that chain with a bit of its own identity going on. And everything related to Trunks and Zamasu is constrained to that specific arc because of it, even when its stuff that is from Z.

It's the downside to bringing a series years back after it's conclusion. You have to build up that sense of continuity (in the "I'm watching something that's continuously building upon what came before" sense, not the sense of being in or out of canon), something that Super hasn't always been too interested in.

edited 5th Sep '17 10:24:49 PM by KnownUnknown

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#63767: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:22:07 PM

I say it makes the arc feel unique and different from every other arc in Dragon Ball so far. Personally, I enjoyed the change in style.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63768: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:29:18 PM

Yeah its like when Goku used the spirit bomb he was being cheered on by every member of the cast, his friends, his family, his allies who we all got know in good depth over time & develop some connection. Its extremely heartwarming.

For Future Trunks...... honestly the only person who cheered him on that you give a shit about is Future Mai. Everyone else is fodder so it doesn't have the same feelzies.

Oh wait Yajirobe was there too that fatass. tongue

edited 5th Sep '17 10:29:45 PM by slimcoder

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#63769: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:30:31 PM

And Turtle and Eighter.

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bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#63770: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:33:27 PM

The Spirit Bomb sword was stupid. Most of humanity was dead, and Zamasu was waaaaaaayyyy stronger than Kid Buu.

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#63771: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:52:37 PM

Yeah, but it was used to power up Trunks, not kill Zamasu directly.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63772: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:57:34 PM

That doesn't help. Why would anyone use the Genki Dama directly if powering up with it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more efficient?

If it only takes a few shitty humans to power Trunks up to Zamasu's level, how the fuck is there meant to be any tension in the main timeline?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63773: Sep 5th 2017 at 10:58:07 PM

It didn't really kill Zamasu so complaing that it gave Future Trunks an asspull win is invalid.

After all, having immortality does not mean you are indestructible.

edited 5th Sep '17 10:59:27 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63774: Sep 5th 2017 at 11:01:55 PM

[up][up]Even before the Spirit Bomb, Trunks was putting up a bit of a fight against Fused Zamasu. Clearly, Zamasu's melting and ass-kicking by Vegetto had weakened him a lot more than he thought. The Spirit Bomb Sword just powered up Trunks enough to finish off his body.

edited 5th Sep '17 11:02:50 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#63775: Sep 6th 2017 at 3:01:22 AM

The Spirit Bomb Sword was stupid as hell, but it was also pretty awesome.

Also, Tien nearly killed Goku who was still a kid at the time, and that's pretty fucked up.

Also also, I think Ribrianne is gonna get K.O.'d by Jiren in 109.

edited 6th Sep '17 3:01:47 AM by Rinsankajugin


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