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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63676: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:41:43 PM

Don't we have a trope for that?

"Mai waifu."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63677: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:44:10 PM

[up][up] There's a difference between being passionate about a character you like, and being obnoxious and saying they "deserve" this or that because you like them.

I liked Gohan, and do you think I was not mad as fuck when he got swept aside near the end of Z and then Super comes around and punctuates it? I fucking hated that shit, but I didn't go around cursing at Toriyama and swearing everybody was against him and that he "deserves" the spotlight back. I'm happy he's getting focus again, but it's not like I was losing sleep over it either.

edited 5th Sep '17 5:44:18 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63678: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:46:26 PM

[up] True.

I mean its no excuse for being an asshole towards people. Just except it really & try to move on cause fucking attacking people won't make it better.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63679: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:46:55 PM

What's subjective about? It's perfectly fine to have favor characters or want them to do things, but no character really deserves anything. They exist to serve the story and what the author wants to do.

Goku doesn't really "deserve" to be the main character, but he is because that's how Toriyama wants it be. If and when Toriyama or whoever changes their mind about that, it doesn't somehow equate to Goku being shafted or whatever.

"There is no such thing as characters being treated well or treated badly, only their role in the story" is certainly one way to look at it, but it's not the most legitimate way to look at it and a lot of people in this thread treat it like it is. Who deserves what is based on how the person views the character, that's why it's subjective.

Going "subjective" should not be used as a blanket to shutdown people expressing their opinions, and you have a habit of doing just that.

Probably because people tend to frame their opinions as being more objective than they are, and other fans being idiots for not having the same view. (also it's a weird turnaround to say shutting down people who are shutting down people is actually the real bad thing)

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings if you liked Tien, but it is what it is.

I don't actually even like Tien that much lol. I just get annoyed at how obnoxious people can get about Tien fans.

edited 5th Sep '17 5:47:02 PM by Moth13

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63680: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:47:04 PM

I feel like a lot of this can just be framed over good writing or not. Which, admittedly is largely subjective but still, if a character has a more or less satisfying ending to their character arc, it becomes harder for me to sympathize with a lot of the complaints.

Which is, again, why I better understand complaints about Gohan's situation than Tenshinhan's.

[up]People shouldn't have to go "In my opinion..." for everything they say, that's not how people talk. Honestly, if that's something you have an issue with, I'd say the problem lies more with you than anyone else.

edited 5th Sep '17 5:48:49 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63681: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:47:44 PM

Assholes will be treated like assholes. Tiens fans (not you or anyone here) are generally assholes, so they will be treated like assholes.

[up]The difference between Gohan and Tien is that the former had way more involvement in the overall narrative. Yea, it's because he's "the main character's son", but that was the entire point of his character, he was designed to be the next generation after Goku.

That's way more important to the narrative than being simply another rival. Or more simply, Goku's had dozens of rivals, but he only has two sons...and only one of them has ever actually be relevant to anything.

edited 5th Sep '17 5:52:17 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63682: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:48:54 PM

Tien deserves to be kicked down from time to time to remind him of his place in the pecking order.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63683: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:50:16 PM

I just finish watching that Tien video and I fucking fully understand why Melon loves watching Tien fans suffer.

Fuck Tien and fuck his fans.

[tup]

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63684: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:50:17 PM

[up][up]I believe they already did that in Super with his sparring match with Gohan and his ring out with the sniper.

[up][tdown]

edited 5th Sep '17 5:50:44 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63685: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:51:56 PM

[up][up][tup]

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63686: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:55:11 PM

And anyway, it's not like I have something against Tenshinhan or anyone else doing things. It's just that as far as Super goes, they often do it in a way that I find convincing or well-executed.

And when that happens, I'm going to voice those thoughts, and I expect that others who disagree will do the same. That's how discussions work.

There have been sometimes that I have thought were executed well (enough).

edited 5th Sep '17 5:56:04 PM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63687: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:56:59 PM

People shouldn't have to go "In my opinion..." for everything they say, that's not how people talk. Honestly, if that's something you have an issue with, I'd say the problem lies more with you than anyone else.

No my problem is with people being aggressive and dismissive about their opinions.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63688: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:57:00 PM

Tien should had just left been behind in that dojo filler episode but you know.......

"Mai waifu."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63689: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:58:13 PM

Seriously tho, the thing with Tien is that he has nothing going for him except martial arts and thats something he'll never excel at so he pretty much has nothing worthwile. Other humans have stuff to them that makes them interesting even if they can't keep up with the power levels, but Tien is just the guy who constantly trains to get stronger but can't catch up anyway. You see the problem?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63690: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:58:43 PM

[up][up][up]That aggression didn't come out of nowhere. Like I said, I don't feel as strongly about this as Yakuzu or Saiga, but I very much understand why they're annoyed.

edited 5th Sep '17 5:59:06 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63691: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:03:13 PM

Ya'll think I'm being aggressive lol. If I was being aggressive, I wouldn't be allowed on this site.

I just have a very blunt and straightforward way of speaking. Sorry if that hurts people's feelings, but we're on the internet.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63692: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:04:48 PM

The biggest difference between Gohan and Tenshinhan is that Gohan actually was being prepared for a larger role, held that role and when the prioritizes shifted the way they made Goku the lead again was really poorly handled and incredibly transparent. They struggled to justify it in-universe, and still struggle with what to do with him going forward because it doesn't make sense to write him out, unlike Tenshinhan who is a solitary guy and really easy to get rid off.

Small aside: I preferred Ten having a farm over a dojo. Both are good ways to retire his character, but the farm adds something to him beyond fighting.

Edit: Everything said on this is subjective. In fact, I'm someone who doesn't believe in objectivity (or at least, humans are incapable of truly perceiving it).

I do not believe anything I say is objective, but it's still possible to be confident about your subjective beliefs.

I don't think Yakazu is acting like only his interpretation counts either.

edited 5th Sep '17 6:07:14 PM by Saiga

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63693: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:08:49 PM

Tien, go with Yamcha and start playing baseball.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63694: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:10:37 PM

Tien is so irrelevant, Japan doesn't even care enough to make him a meme like they did with Yamcha.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63695: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:11:41 PM

Even Chiaotzu got to be a backpack?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63696: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:12:07 PM

I suppose that's something else for him and Chiaotzu to bond over.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63697: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:12:51 PM

Well he didn't become a joke after all.

Yamcha became such a loser of course its funny to make fun of him.

edited 5th Sep '17 6:13:06 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63698: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:15:01 PM

[up][up] Maybe Chiaotzu can hug him over it

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63699: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:16:20 PM

"goodbye Mr. Tien"

"But I'm right he-*BOOM*"

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#63700: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:19:20 PM

Am I the only one who finds it funny that y'all are making fun of a guy who could probably kick all your asses with both hands tied behind his back before he got his morning coffee?

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!

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