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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63551: Sep 4th 2017 at 5:48:35 PM

It should be Android 35. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#63552: Sep 4th 2017 at 5:54:55 PM

Or Android 306!

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63553: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:11:12 PM

Yeah, calling them Android 1718 is using the mathematical logic of a 5 year old.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63554: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:17:26 PM

But it rolls off the tongue easily.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63555: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:19:48 PM

[up] Eh not really.

Oooh, Lapis-Lazuli. tongue

edited 4th Sep '17 6:20:15 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#63556: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:22:38 PM

17 gets 18's jacket...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63557: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:24:36 PM

1718 makes about as much sense as 35. Given that 17 and 18 are treated more like proper names now, maybe even more sense.

Super!17 likely isn't stronger than Super 17, Toshio later stated that Goku held back and 17 is probably weaker than Gohan. Like I said, the dude flip flops constantly.

And yeah, Kuririn beating any angel is definitely "this has gone horribly wrong" territory. It isn't anything like their current prominence.

And with the way Super widened the gap between Goku and Beerus, anyone beating an angel would seem weird at this point. If they do turn out evil, it will take a lot of justification to beat them.

edited 4th Sep '17 6:29:08 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#63558: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:29:11 PM

Didn't Goku also say that 17 was holding back as well?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63559: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:30:46 PM

He did, but Toshio just seems to be talking about 17s full power.

It's possible they backtracked because the idea of 17 being that powerful wasnt well received or something.

But Toshio seems to retcon a lot of the power level stuff from recent episodes.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63560: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:36:59 PM

Didn't he said that 17 is the third strongest on the team?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63561: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:38:14 PM

That depends on if he's stronger than Gohan.

One Strip! One Strip!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#63562: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:39:19 PM

I'd assume the strongest would be Goku, then Vegeta, then Frieza, then Gohan.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63563: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:39:45 PM

[up][up] and his more recent statements have retconned that

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63564: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:40:55 PM

[up]

A lot of things are being retconned it seems.

[up][up]

I keep forgetting about Frieza, but he might actually be tied with either Goku for strongest, or Vegeta for second strongest.

One Strip! One Strip!
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63565: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:42:01 PM

At this point we should probably just ignore what he tweets, since he seems to change his opinions three times a day.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63566: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:44:02 PM

Like I said, Toshio retcons everything, constantly.

He said 17 was the third strongest, and could fight on par with Blue Goku.

He later said Piccolo and Gohan had been training and may be stronger than 17.

He then said 17 was equal to Gohan, and both were stronger than Piccolo.

He also later said Goku going Blue was just to motivate 17.

[up] Yeah, but that's true of the show as well tongue

I feel like 17's retconned strength is probably what the tournament will go with. Right now he doesn't feel like a Blue level fighter.

edited 4th Sep '17 6:45:31 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63567: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:45:54 PM

To be fair, 17 was the third strongest before Gohan trained and Freeza was recruited.

LLSmoothJ (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#63568: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:46:00 PM

A possible theory based on previous episodes in the arc...

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63569: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:49:46 PM

I feel like 17's retconned strength is probably what the tournament will go with. Right now he doesn't feel like a Blue level fighter.

To be fair SSB Goku dosen't feel like Blue level anymore.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63570: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:53:40 PM

Hah, that's true.

But I think Toshio's retcons end up being more reasonable than what the episodes originally imply, like Roshi being powered up with Yurin instead of that just being the power he had been keeping secret (which Goku claimed in the episode).

[up][up][up] We can't really know that for sure. Which makes it no different to anything else in Super lol

edited 4th Sep '17 6:54:46 PM by Saiga

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63571: Sep 4th 2017 at 6:53:56 PM

Like I said, Toshio retcons everything, constantly.

He said 17 was the third strongest, and could fight on par with Blue Goku.

He later said Piccolo and Gohan had been training and may be stronger than 17.

He then said 17 was equal to Gohan, and both were stronger than Piccolo.

He also later said Goku going Blue was just to motivate 17.

Oof, I didn't know it was that bad.

edited 4th Sep '17 6:55:11 PM by VeryMelon

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63572: Sep 4th 2017 at 7:02:25 PM

I think it's a combination of both. Roshi was phenomenally stronger due to training and Yurin's magic powered him up even more past that. I mean, it made a bunch of losers who weren't even able to focus ki fly.

Besides, while Toshio may release slightly contradictory statements, those statements are supposed to fuction partially as advertisement for the upcoming episodes and he only knows what Toei and Toriyama have decided at that moment. Not to mention that they change to reflect the reality of the show on an episode by episode basis. They don't even decide on the episode names before only about 4 or so episodes prior.

Far as I see it, neither current Gohan nor current 17 are at Blue level and neither was ever at Blue level, but both are hovering around that tier. Maybe they're at the level of God, maybe Saiyan Beyond God, either way they're in-between Blue and 3.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63573: Sep 4th 2017 at 7:06:13 PM

TOSHIO, PICK ONE AND STAY WITH IT!

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63574: Sep 4th 2017 at 7:13:46 PM

How? I don't think they tell him enough for him to serve as a completely reliable Word of God.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63575: Sep 4th 2017 at 7:15:12 PM

And what are you basing that on? I mean, maybe, but who knows.


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