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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63501: Sep 4th 2017 at 1:55:37 PM

[up][up] He doesn't deserve a damn thing.

Roshi and Kuririn should have just been treated like he was as well.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#63502: Sep 4th 2017 at 1:59:06 PM

[up][up] I pointed this out on another forum, but a lot of it comes down to Tien really lacking any relevant dynamic in the main cast.

Master Roshi was Goku's former teacher so highlighting an episode showing that "he still got it" kind of writes itself.

Krillin is the designated Comic Relief so showcasing an episode where despite often being the butt of the jokes, that he can be competent is another one.

Piccolo is Gohan's mentor and other parental figure.

Tien is the three eyed dude who trains in the mountains. He was Goku's rival a long ass time ago but outside of that he has no real dynamics with anyone else in the cast. And given the series tendency to only really show interest in the new shining toys, there's no real push to give him new material to make him relevant again.

Thing is too is you kind of see the same thing with Majin Buu, Kid Trunks, and Goten as well, so it's not like he's the only character getting hit with this either.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63503: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:09:44 PM

I love how most of the comment section are salty Tien fans

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63504: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:12:14 PM

Same with the reddit thread about the video.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#63505: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:13:38 PM

Even as someone who likes it when secondary characters contribute in shonen, the size and virulence of Tien's fanbase baffles me.

Arachosia from United States Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#63506: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:14:24 PM

@Saiga - No Mercy, lol.

I really never understood that to be honest though. For me, it makes no sense why an author would ever have disdain for a character that they themselves created out of the figment of their imagination. And if an author has grown to come hate one of their characters, why not just kill them off and be done with it?

@Lionheart - But don't you think that's a sign of laziness? I'm sure they can come up with ways to make them relevant if they seriously put the effort in.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#63507: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:16:13 PM

[up] Just because you hate a character doesn't mean they're not useful to your story. Not that Tenshinhan is useful to the story but the point still stands.

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Arachosia from United States Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#63508: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:28:52 PM

[up] True, but I was thinking more around the lines of: since Toriyama (presumably) hates Tien, he doesn't utilize him to his fullest potential. But your right, an author could absolutely loathe a villain that they created, but that villain could still be incredibly useful.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63509: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:29:55 PM

So is all just lack of care on the creators parts right?

edited 4th Sep '17 2:30:01 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#63510: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:30:22 PM

Where did anyone say Toriyama hates Tien?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63511: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:31:27 PM

Extrapolation from Arachosia's posts. Toriyama doesn't actually hate Tien.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63512: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:31:56 PM

I still liked the most recent episode and I thought Tenshinhan was cool in it. Not everyone needs to have an entire episode focusing on them, and he went down taking a dangerous opponent out with him.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#63513: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:36:39 PM

Yeah, I'd say it's more Tien has just fallen by the wayside and isn't useful to the plot anymore. That doesn't mean Toriyama hates him.

Besides which, Toriyama is notoriously forgetful. Remember when someone asked him what happened to Launch and his response was "Who?"

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#63514: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:37:49 PM

[up][up] True. And him letting his guard down was more a matter of Honor Before Reason than anything else. He saw Harmira as a Worthy Opponent and wanted to give him a dignified elimination.

Really, I have to admire a guy who knows he has no chance of catching up with the main cast, but still keeps training anyway because he's that passionate about martial arts. Krillin's still my favorite, but I do agree that Tien deserves better (in general, that is; in the latest episode I had no problem with how he performed).

edited 4th Sep '17 2:38:33 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63515: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:50:29 PM

Maybe Toriyama just finds Tien boring. I know I do.

Also, did I miss something regarding Goku not being able to use Instant Transmission towards to an uncharged Prum and uses physical force? Like, the scene with him and Vegeta hurling rocks was funny enough, but they didn't seem to have exhausted all of their options.

Or you know... walk up to him. All they had to do was just walk up to him and punch him. There was no need for two of them to even gang up on this guy, the other one could went after the other one, instead of sending Tien on a suicidal charge.

Even by Super standards Goku and Vegs were sandbagging it like mad this episode. [lol]

Arachosia from United States Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#63516: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:53:01 PM

All good points, it's just I don't understand the 'want' to shit on Tien by Toei. And it's not even a 'want' per-se, it's unabashed neglect. And I know nobody's entitled to see their favorite character shine. All I'm asking for is that, if a character has obviously run their course, leave them be. Don't bring them back just for the sake of it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63517: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:54:42 PM

Let them die with dignity as they say.

If they can't use these characters to good effect they should just leave them be.

edited 4th Sep '17 3:47:50 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#63518: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:55:48 PM

Vaguely related, but is it true Toriyama himself forgot Launch existed for a while?

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63519: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:56:30 PM

Yeah, Tien is a character that should really just stay in the background at this point but got dragged back because someone had this team tournament idea. And then... well given how many characters this arc has to juggle it was inevitable that someone would fall thorough the cracks.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63520: Sep 4th 2017 at 2:58:12 PM

[up][up]No, he just didn't include her because he assumed that his fans would've forgotten about her.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#63521: Sep 4th 2017 at 3:00:40 PM

In the manga, the last we hear of her is a mention that she left her job at Kame House to go chase after Tien. She does show up in the anime a couple times though, including in the Continuity Cavalcade of past characters donating energy to the Spirit Bomb.

edited 4th Sep '17 3:00:48 PM by HamburgerTime

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63522: Sep 4th 2017 at 3:01:25 PM

[up][up] Heh.

He'd should be surprised at how fans can have very good memory's. tongue

[up] Sad she doesn't know where he is now.

edited 4th Sep '17 3:01:49 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#63523: Sep 4th 2017 at 3:11:25 PM

I'm guessing Launch would just be a background character if she was still around.But then again who really knows. AU where Trunks is the son of Vegeta and Launch? [lol]

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63524: Sep 4th 2017 at 3:44:59 PM

Let them die with dignity as they. If they can't use these characters to good effect they should just leave them be.

Considering how Super treats the characters that aren't Goku and Vegeta, that is sound advice and it would spare fans a ton of grief.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63525: Sep 4th 2017 at 3:46:22 PM

It's not like it treats Goku and Vegeta any better. Unless you're equating quantity of screetime with quality. Which, a lot of people do in fact, so...


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