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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#63426: Sep 3rd 2017 at 1:22:07 PM

Just a nitpick: "There" means a place. "Their" means possesion. "They're" is a contraction of "they are". Please don't mix them up.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#63427: Sep 3rd 2017 at 2:05:33 PM

The Ginyu example is actually a pretty poor one, because even ignoring the Kaioken, he couldn't tap into Goku's natural power for some reason. If he could do that he really would have wiped the floor with them then. I've always actually found that strange.

Yeah, that always bugged me. Ginyu outright says he knows how to raise or hide his power level, so why wouldn't he be able to do the same in Goku's body. Has he just never used his Body Switch before? And if he has, then why is this such a surprise?

Honestly, TFS made a bit more sense of that by having Ginyu lose because he didn't know how to use Kaioken.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63428: Sep 3rd 2017 at 2:58:17 PM

No, that makes less sense, because base Goku is still stronger than Gohan/Kuririn in that version.

It has struck me as odd as well, but it's backed up by something Piccolo says in the Android arc - they amplify their energy in a fight, making it "explode". This sounds like it's just battle power control, but more extreme - Ginyu has only shown the abiity to control his battle power in a range somewhere between 60,000 and 120,000 - he may not have the fine control Goku had.

Remember that Goku raising and dropping his battle power so effortlessly was an incredible feat to Gohan, Kuririn and Vegeta, who can all control battle power.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63429: Sep 3rd 2017 at 3:07:22 PM

He's stronger than them either way, since Ginyu Goku was clocked at 23,000 and Gohan and Krillin were measured at just over 10,000 like an hour ago. Gohan might have gotten a Zenkai, but Krillin?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63430: Sep 3rd 2017 at 3:10:59 PM

There power was supposed to be gradually increasing from the Elder Namekian releasing their potential. They very well could be stronger than an hour early. And Gohan getting a zenkai does make sense considering how Recoome almost beat him to death and then he was fed a senzu.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63431: Sep 3rd 2017 at 3:21:43 PM

Ginyu was also 23k and dropping

edited 3rd Sep '17 3:21:53 PM by Saiga

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#63432: Sep 3rd 2017 at 3:22:46 PM

It's kind of weird that for all of their hype, the Ginyu Force was reduced to two men after their introductory fight.

And the remaining two went down not long after.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63433: Sep 3rd 2017 at 3:26:11 PM

Did they really have that much hype? Vegeta freaked out about them, and we got to see why. They were always going to be time-fillers.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63434: Sep 3rd 2017 at 3:29:03 PM

They sure were a hoot though.

And they totally stole the show in the Abridged.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63436: Sep 3rd 2017 at 4:02:36 PM

The funny part about the Ginyu Force to me is that they invert the usual use of a Quirky Mini Boss Squad I see in Shonen nowadays. Usually, they exist to give the supporting characters a good and decent fight that's not the main villain so The Hero can shine.

But the Ginyu Force completely and effortless stomp the characters before Goku shows up and makes quick work of them lol.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63437: Sep 3rd 2017 at 4:05:22 PM

With the exception of Guldo, who is the only member to get killed before Goku arrives (and who Krillin and Gohan could have beaten if they'd not flown head first into a psychic trap).

But yeah, I recall an article where Toriyama even said that he'd been building up to this moment. The Ginyu exist to help Goku show off the results of his new training.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63438: Sep 3rd 2017 at 4:08:59 PM

Well that's pretty clear from how the story frames it.

Man, I actually those moments from Z that are absent in Super. Goku is away training and comes back shows off by completely stomping characters that gave the others trouble.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63439: Sep 3rd 2017 at 4:12:15 PM

Actually wasn't it mentioned that the Ginyu Force & Frieza were the last opponents Goku truly won a decisive victory against?

Aside form that light-absorbing monster in the Buu Saga.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63440: Sep 3rd 2017 at 4:21:56 PM

He beat Botamo, as well as plenty of people in this tournament. If you count the Ginyu Force, you should count them, too.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63441: Sep 3rd 2017 at 4:43:50 PM

People only really care about major threat defeats tho, so I'm pretty sure Frieza is the only one who counts.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63442: Sep 3rd 2017 at 4:45:48 PM

I was bored because it took too long for the tournament to start, and now I am bored because the tournament is taking too long.

edited 3rd Sep '17 4:49:45 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#63443: Sep 3rd 2017 at 7:22:31 PM

I actually like how they're doing this Tournament Arc. What I was afraid was going to happen was that about 60 of the enemies would be blown off right at the start and the heroes would just fight a handful of opponents (read: Toppo and Jiren).

And while it certainly isn't perfect, I do like the way that they are allowing the supporting cast some moments to shine and showing off a variety of different character designs and techniques. Some are cool, some are not, but overall I'm pleasantly surprised.

edited 3rd Sep '17 7:22:58 PM by DarkHunter

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63444: Sep 3rd 2017 at 8:15:42 PM

The last episode had a pretty unique team up of characters, I'll give it that.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63445: Sep 3rd 2017 at 8:23:54 PM

It says something that the number of "wasted" eliminated characters without a discernible gimmick or unique fighting style ranges in the single digits. Like, it's the green fish guy from U9, Jilcol from U10, Dr Rota from U6, Nigrisshi from U3, the blond pretty man from U10, and I think that's it.

The sheer amount of creativity displayed here with making ~60 new characters with unique designs and unique fighting styles, combat mechanics, and/or abilities is genuinely impressive.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63446: Sep 3rd 2017 at 8:25:22 PM

So, is the Tournament of Power the new Namek or not?

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63447: Sep 3rd 2017 at 8:26:25 PM

[up][up] Which makes it sad that there all literally dying as we speak.

[up] We haven't reached arc fatigue yet have we?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63448: Sep 3rd 2017 at 8:33:07 PM

Goku won the rematch, didn't he? Unless I'm just misremembering it...

No, it ended in a draw. Anyway, I liked the the anime version of Hit vs Goku better than the manga version. Manga Hit is just a way less impressive fighter, and "Goku forfeits because Beerus and Champa stalled out the Kaioken, leaving the winner ambiguous" worked better than "Goku is the clear victor but forfeits to watch Monoka fight".

By the way, what's the pun with Maji Kayo's name?

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63449: Sep 3rd 2017 at 8:34:19 PM

[up]Seriously?

[up][up]For Super standards, maybe. For Dragonball as a whole? NO. The Namek Saga started on February 14, 1990 and ended on September 11, 1991. It took almost nineteen months to finish the entirety of the Namek Saga.

edited 3rd Sep '17 8:51:39 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63450: Sep 3rd 2017 at 8:45:00 PM

[up][up]To answer you question, [up] really is the answer. "Majikayo" is an expression of surprise and disbelief. I'm not sure if the first reply was a genuine answer, or just a play on the irony.

edited 3rd Sep '17 8:45:37 PM by LSBK


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