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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#63276: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:46:51 AM

[up] Think for a moment about the show we're watching.

Even something that small and basic would be amazing.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63277: Aug 31st 2017 at 3:56:16 AM

Considering episodes come out on a weekly basis, I doubt they can plan that far ahead.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63278: Aug 31st 2017 at 4:00:10 AM

It's piss easy to do, just because Super has been taking remedial classes on everything else doesn't mean we should celebrate them gettinga C+ here.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63279: Aug 31st 2017 at 4:04:09 AM

It's actually not that easy given what I've read on Anime production in recent years, and is in fact very fucking hard. Especially since Super isn't a seasonal anime, but a continuous one. Also since Toel have millions of workers and properties that they're working on.

And no, this isn't justifying their work on Super, but I see a lot of people seem to be under the misconception that they simply don't care, which is outright false.

edited 31st Aug '17 4:04:41 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63280: Aug 31st 2017 at 4:11:58 AM

It would be much, much harder to produce this stuff if they didn't have things planned that far in advance. A production this size just can't wing it.

The specific example - a couple of minor characters using a detail from earlier in the arc to make sense in upcoming episodes - is really not that hard to plan at all. They could leave it down to a single writer to handle if they really needed to.

That's assuming it even came from Toei, and not Toriyama's notes - if Toriyama just explained it in a note than they didn't need to do much at all.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#63281: Aug 31st 2017 at 4:16:34 AM

Just a reminder that the original Dragon Ball manga was published weekly and Toriyama managed to set things up fairly well there despite winging it. It's not perfect by any means but it's leagues better than Super.

Hell, it doesn't even require that you plan ahead. Like Saiga said, you just have a character in a future saga expand upon some seemingly random detail from a previous saga and no one will ever know that you didn't plan that in advance.

edited 31st Aug '17 4:17:46 AM by Zelenal

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63282: Aug 31st 2017 at 4:40:29 AM

I mean, Super does do that. Whether it does it well is another thing entirely.

In any case, I never meant to say that they don't plan anything at all, but rather they don't plan out meticulous plot threads in advance. They probably think like "Hey, this thing we introduced before sounds cool, let's focus on that"

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#63283: Aug 31st 2017 at 6:17:07 AM

I can almost guarantee you that's exactly what Toriyama did.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63284: Aug 31st 2017 at 6:30:35 AM

It's actually very common for manga artists to re-read their work in an ongoing manga to look for things that could serve as foreshadowing.

Here I don't think that's the case, as it was probably thought out when thinking of gimmicks for the teams.

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63285: Aug 31st 2017 at 7:36:52 AM

Yeah, the hidden warriors are definitely underground. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, considering that this is Universe 4 we are talking about.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#63286: Aug 31st 2017 at 11:13:55 AM

So...I've been looking at the really early posts, back when Battle of Gods first got a viewing; thinking on it, how do you think you'd all have reacted if you found out about what would happen to the franchise past that point, on the sides of the movies, video games, and anime/manga?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63287: Aug 31st 2017 at 11:25:40 AM

I'd probably be personally apathetic towards the games since I haven't played a Dragon Ball game myself since Supersonic Warriors 2, though I'd be interested in looking up what the gameplay looks like.

If you told me most of the details of the current and previous arcs, I'd call you a liar, but I'd also think that sounds cool as shit.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#63288: Aug 31st 2017 at 12:29:03 PM

[up]x2 You just reminded me of this post from the talented Hector Guedes, who has since changed his tune (or, at least, likes the current developments enough while remembering they're flawed).

Regarding myself, a younger me, at the time, would have been really excited. I remember being somewhat spoiled by DBZ Kai's intro during its Nicktoons run, that I wanted a new series in addition to a remastered series.

[down]x2: Funny, we were thinking of the same thing.

edited 31st Aug '17 5:10:04 PM by XMenMutant22

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#63289: Aug 31st 2017 at 1:00:36 PM

Not really a discussion here, but for ongoing shows like Dragonball Super, the planning for each episodes are usually done weeks in advance. For example, it's highly likely that the cuts for episode 109 are already in the hands of the animators, while pre-production is already being discussed for 110.

Shirobako, while lampooning the animation process in general, stresses that "winging it" very difficult, as even minor changes can set a production back severely. And while it's possible to do things down the wire — see the infamous issues with SEED Destiny — it's something small studios would rather avoid, and even big studios like Toei or Sunrise would rather do without.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63290: Aug 31st 2017 at 4:46:51 PM

This piece of art is strangely accurate. Sometimes if I were a little younger and not as aware of many things, I would excuse Super's flaws more or I wouldn't be as aware of it. I would happy to have Dragon Ball and I would had excused Super even more. Maybe it isn't a matter of age or wisdom but I know that I would enjoy it even more if I were younger.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63291: Aug 31st 2017 at 5:12:08 PM

Well, when you're young, you don't really care about the quality of something but how much enjoyment you got out of it.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#63292: Aug 31st 2017 at 7:46:01 PM

So...I was looking back at the pages before Resurrection F came out, and got to the point where we saw the leaked image of the SSGSS forms for Goku and Vegeta (in the form of toys); Cortez literally said this about it when he asked what we should name them:

Sooo....Any fan nicknames for the new form?

Super Saiyan Blue?

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#63293: Aug 31st 2017 at 8:30:48 PM

It was kind of the obvious name.

Why they ever tried "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" is beyond me. Did they really not think that was too long?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63294: Aug 31st 2017 at 11:10:14 PM

They still use that name outside of the show.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63295: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:22:44 PM

Casual discussion on what the Time Breakers could bring to Super plotwise. Would you guys be interested in seeing them?

edited 1st Sep '17 5:34:02 PM by VeryMelon

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#63296: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:38:05 PM

I'm more interested in future arcs about U1, U5, U8, and U12, myself.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63297: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:39:37 PM

Mixing time breakers with Super sounds like an incredible clusterfuck waiting to happen.

I'd like to see it used in video games more.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63298: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:40:30 PM

While it be interesting & fun to have an arc that brings in all previous villains back as apart of a multiverse epic villain team-up I'd rather much focus on new antagonists now.

The other universes should really be explored.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63299: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:44:50 PM

Toriyama doesn't really use stuff others have done though, and when he does, he often puts his own spin on it (such as re-telling Burdock's story via Dragonball Minus).

So I doubt we'll be seeing the Time Breakers in Super.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#63300: Sep 1st 2017 at 5:54:56 PM

[up] And even if he did, Super has already messed up canon but what is canon in Dragon Ball anymore?

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