I would love the idea of re-writing the Dragon Ball Z movies to fit in with the canon. Hell, you could actually expand the movie into mini-arcs, like 2-4 episodes, and give the villains more of a background. Guys like Turles, Broly, Lord Slug and Cooler could be given more detailed background and at the same time provide some cool insight about Saiyan's, the Namekians and the Planet Trade Organisation.
I would kill to see more mint-arc devoted to how the Ginyu Force grew up individually and met each other in the Frieza's Army. That would be comedy gold! Hell, that's even more of a reason why a reboot should happen.
Here is what in my opinion the Dragon Ball reboot, should it ever happen, must cover:
- Detailed background Dr Gero
- How the Ginyu Force grew up and met each other
- More detail on the history of Saiyan Race (i.e how they evolved, the origin of the Super Saiyan God and Original Super Saiyan etc.)
- How the Planet Trade Organisation was created
- Detailed background of Frieza's race
- More insight to how Future Trunks grew up
- More detailed backstory of Lapis and Lazuli before they became Android 17 and Android 18
- All of the Dragon Ball Z movies re-written and turned into mini-arcs which also fit in with the original story
- An arc dedicated to detailing how the system for the Gods of the Dragon Ball Universe is structured (Toriyama has already provided information regarding this, but it doesn't hurt to cover it in more detail)
- A mini-arc dedicated solely towards Beerus (He's hilarious and plays such a huge role in the background, that it can't be ignored)
- A whole new Saga (Just like how it's the DB Saga and the DBZ Saga) devoted to the New Generation of fighter on Earth. You easily take the plot from Dragon Ball Online and several elements of what occurred Dragon Ball GT (Shadow Dragons, Baby and Black Star Dragon Balls), spruce up the dialogue, improve the fight scenes and re-write the plot, and you could get a quite few awesome arcs out of that.
Kai doesn't have really a lot of filler. It's only during the battle between Goku and Frieza (Of course) that things really start to drag, even with all the edits. Ironically, those episode where among the highest rated on TV in Japan. It's certainly way more watchable than the original Z version of the fight witch lasted 20 episodes in comparison to the 11 episodes it lasts for in Kai. But judging from the episode count of the Buu Arc for the Kai, 69 episodes, expect some the fight to last as long as they did in Z.
edited 3rd May '14 1:23:59 PM by FireShadow
I'm not sure if they should keep all the movies. Half of them should die in a fire. I would like it if they somehow incorporated Dead Zone, Tree of Might, Cooler's Revenge, and Bojack Unbound into the main timeline though. Three of those fit pretty well if they just change one or two elements but Tree of Might would be tough. The only good place to put it without deviating too much from the source material would be after Namek but by that point Goku and the others are far too powerful for Turles and his gang to be much of a threat.
All of them had some of their good moments if you ask me (except World's Strongest and Lord Slug, which were just forgettable, and Evolution, because duh.). Even Bio-Broly, which is normally the single most hated, was one of my favorites for giving some of the side-characters some limelight (and 18's treatment of Hercule was a Crowning Moment Of Funny).
I also don't want GT to be completely disregarded. Baby (The tuffles having just as much evil potential as the saiyans? That's fascinating stuff!) and the Shadow Dragons (Which were foreshadowed to hell and back) were awesome concepts that so much more could have been done with.
The Fruit of Might had the same amount of energy as the Super Spirit Bomb if not more. I think it could be still effective if Kaio-Ken was just changed to Super Saiyan.
edited 3rd May '14 1:31:50 PM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Yeah, nobody watched that one for the villain.
And in the theme of Dragon Ball Z movies... Cooler's Revenge is set to debut on Toonami on May 25th
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edited 3rd May '14 6:26:14 PM by FireShadow
Yeah, but there's a difference between "Super Saiyan, in general, is wrong" and "Super Saiyan is the best!" There's no reason that Super Saiyan 1 should be better than Super Saiyan 2, that contradicts the entire point of that subplot from the Android arc. And it's just repeating the whole "Grade 2/3 are wrong, go back to basics" plot point we already had.
Most of the Dragon Ball Movie Villains don't have a problem fitting into continuity, it's the context of the film that does. The villains themselves are usually fine.
For instance, Garlic Jr. has no problem existing in continuity, but Dead Zone does because the film has to take place prior to Raditz's arrival in order for Gohan to be the age he is, yet Krillin protects Gohan throughout the film despite meeting him for the first time the day Raditz comes to Kame House. It can't happen before Raditz kicks off the Saiyan Saga because Krillin hasn't met Gohan yet at that time, but it can't happen afterward either because there isn't going to be breathing room in the narrative until after Namek.
Another example is Tree of Might, which takes place after Gohan and Piccolo bonded during the Saiyan Saga but before Goku became a Super Saiyan on Namek, which is impossible. Lord Slug himself wouldn't have to be changed any in order to fit into continuity, but the events the movie presents to us cannot occur at any point in the story.
edited 3rd May '14 10:27:03 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Which is something a reboot wouldn't be able to fix easily if it tried to be anything close to accurate. Most villains would have to be completely moved around, or just show up in the middle of somebody else's arc and be dealt with in a few episodes. Like filler. Hell, even the ones that fit between arcs would still feel inconsequential.
That's true. The movie villains unfortunately are inconsequential because they have to deal with the plight of all filler stories: Status Quo Is God.
For instance, no matter how powerful Broly may be, he's not going to do any damage that can't immediately be undone by the time the non-filler parts of the story arrive. Janemba might be a big, scary threat, but he can't obliterate Vegeta's soul or destroy Hell or kill the Supreme Kai or anything that would actually affect the events of the Buu Saga, regardless of whether or not the narrative manages to weave him seamlessly into the canon.
edited 3rd May '14 10:31:10 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Events that take place outside of the main arcs could cause permanent effects, though, like Wrath of the Dragon, Battle of Gods, Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return!, GT, and Online, which all take place after Buu in that order. That could allow some freedom.
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — UltimatepheerI read somewhere online awhile back that Tree of Might and Lord Slug take place in an alternate timeline where Goku managed to make it back before Piccolo and the others were killed, so they never had to go to Namek. Probably Fanon though, huh?
[[Edit: Never mind.]]
edited 4th May '14 7:29:43 AM by BaffleBlend
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — UltimatepheerYou know, I was just thinking, if GT did happen, how would Majuub's life have carried out afterwards? I mean, did he strike up a friendship with Hercule? And what about Booby and Baby Buu, who would have already existed at that point in the timeline? (After all, Booby appeared onscreen in Online as a skill trainer, and Buu himself didn't. Hmm...)
"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — UltimatepheerPretty sure GT and Online aren't the same continuity.
In fact, I'm sure the existence of Online basically retconned GT out of continuity.
As for fitting in movie Villains being filler, I see the point. Then again, as a reboot, they don't have to follow things exactly. For instance, you could have some of the Z warriors actually survive the Saiyan saga, but Goku somehow still gets badly hurt. So he's recovering, and their training, and then, Garlic Jr. shows up to Roflstomp everyone, and that's the battle where many of them die, thus necessitating Namek.
A reboot story doesn't necessarily have to follow how things went before. Even the power levels of the characters don't have to be exactly what they were before.
There are lots of things that can be done, like Goku teaching the others Kaioken, or Tien doing something
like this.
Yeah yeah. I know a lot of people don't like Multiverse. It's certainly not perfect, but I think it has some interesting ideas at times.
It also had the Solar Flare / Destructo Disk combo that was mentioned in this thread (though it failed to kill the target, Zarbon, but did cut out part of his chest). I think this is a good chance for Toriyama to let the humans do a bit more.
My argument isn't perfect; it never is, and I know there are some holes in my logic that someone will gleefully bring up, and I hate that and think you should totally agree with me I don't mind that.
There are flaws and potential advantages to a reboot, and while I admit it could bomb heavily, it could also surpass the original.
At the very least, he wouldn't just have a character disappear for the rest of the series like Launch did.
One Strip! One Strip!
Ehhh, everyone assumes that, but I really don't see how they're mutually-exclusive.
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I think some of the elements of Dragon Ball Multiverse could fit into the reboot.
Dragon Ball Online acts like Dragon Ball GT never happened. For example, in Age 787, according the Dragon Ball Online, the earth Dragon Balls were deactivated due to Old Kai had expressing his disapproval of the Dragon Balls considering them to go against the natural order of the universe, and with the world now at peace, Dende worried having active Dragon Balls around may mean putting the Earth at risk. Now in Age 789, the Earth is destroyed and in Age 790 the Dragon Balls crack and the Shadow Dragons are born.
Now obviously there no way the Shadow Dragons would even exist if the Dragon Ball's were deactivated a full three years before said event takes place and it isn't until Age 972 that a general conflict on Earth happens according to Dragon Ball Online's timeline.
edited 4th May '14 10:39:17 AM by FireShadow
Fire Shadow has been suggesting it for a while.
I wasn't on board at first, as Dragon Ball seemingly didn't need a reboot due to being one of the few anime to not diverge from it's source material and require a Gecko Ending.
However, I'm now considering it more seriously as a chance to deal with some of the bonus material that has been making it's way into the franchise lately through interviews with Toriyama, and as a way to reinterpret the series rather than re-hashing the same old stuff.
One Strip! One Strip!I take pride in instigating the reboot debate because its a very genuine and valid topic considering that Toriyama is giving away so much significant exposition in these interviews in the last couple of months that greatly change the complexion of the Dragon Ball Universe and how it can be viewed in it.
And that's not even taking into consideration the elephant in the room that is Dragon Ball Minus. That chapter alone warrants a full blown reboot because it essentially changes the context of the Dragon Ball Universe quite significantly, in the area of how Goku grew up and how he eventually mellowed out if he didn't hit his head as baby. Which Akira Toriyama has seemingly confirmed through Dragon Ball Minus and Jaco The Galactic Patrolman, didn't ever happen.
edited 4th May '14 12:38:04 PM by FireShadow

Kai is jam packed with filler though.
A reboot, if anyone would even bother with one, has to follow the manga, while also adding in things from supplemental material Toriyama approves of to get one solid DB universe. They'd need to streamline his ideas more too (for example, you could mention Buu is invulnerable to Magic the moment he appears, so that when Vegito gets split up inside of him, you have that as an excuse, or you could have someone during the early parts of the manga mention some of the dragonballs' limitations etc). The only things of value the anime, as much as I love it, has ever added to Dragonball's world are the Trunks and (original) Bardock special. Everything else has been either contradictory (bad guys keeping their bodies) or really awful (fake Namek).
edited 3rd May '14 12:28:05 PM by Cruherrx
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