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Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63201: Aug 28th 2017 at 2:40:37 PM

Whis never said which God of Destruction. Then again, that person could be stronger than Sidra.

edited 28th Aug '17 2:40:56 PM by Gehayadren

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63202: Aug 28th 2017 at 2:42:04 PM

That's still saying something, unless you think Goku and Vegeta (and Frieza) are stronger than Sidra.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#63203: Aug 28th 2017 at 2:52:57 PM

No way Goku, Vegeta, or Frieza are even close to Sidra.

Frieza got out of the sphere, but it took him great effort nonetheless. And Goku was screwed inside of it. This was only a small portion of Sidra's power too.

Beerus comes along and blows it away like nothing.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63204: Aug 28th 2017 at 2:56:07 PM

Whis did say that the God of Destruction in question is stronger than Beerus, so that's saying a lot.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#63205: Aug 28th 2017 at 3:20:24 PM

Oh cool, Yamcha in Fighterz.

Remember that Hit didn't have any character whatsoever until his fight with Goku.

Sorry my words are short and not very good, I'm currently (hyperbolically) dying of heatstroke.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#63206: Aug 28th 2017 at 3:41:47 PM

[up] Knew you would be excited for that. wink

I'm in the camp that's holding out for Jiren to get a concrete persona soon (even if I also joke about his inactiveness). I mean, Kale was a similar camp, and now she's (at best) tolerable until further notice.

Though, all this headcanon talk of Jiren being a canon Expy of Supes does intrigue me enough to mentally dub over his lines with George Newbern.

[down] I figured someone was going to bring that up. Wouldn't mind if Funimation gets a little...suggestion for this to happen. grin

edited 28th Aug '17 4:18:26 PM by XMenMutant22

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63207: Aug 28th 2017 at 3:59:43 PM

He also voices Sephiroth. I wonder if Jiren has a sword bigger than his body. tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63208: Aug 28th 2017 at 4:51:18 PM

Yeah, Hit really didn't do or say kuch before his fight with Goku so there is still hope for Jiren to be an interesting character.

However given the battle royale I would have liked if Jiren was able to do more and be characterized more before his fight with Goku.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#63209: Aug 28th 2017 at 4:59:56 PM

Unfortunately, they hamfisted this "conserve your stamina" nonsense for Jiren despite the fact that we know he could beat most of these fighters in one to two blows....

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63210: Aug 28th 2017 at 5:25:23 PM

It wasn't as bad with Hit since we didn't have to wait that long to see what he was like. Like Saiga said, since it's a battle royal, there were plenty of chances of having him do something before his fight with Goku.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63211: Aug 28th 2017 at 5:28:54 PM

Yeah, Hit had a better reason to be mysterious and kept back until his time.

Also, I just think they shouldn't repeat what they did with Hit here, even if Jiren's personality is wildly different the lead up is kind of the same.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63212: Aug 28th 2017 at 5:31:31 PM

The whole situation feels like a retread of Goku vs. Hit tbh; Goku's even getting an new form to use against him like he did with Hit. I don't think SSJBKK was ever promoted like this though, which added to the surprise of Goku using it.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#63213: Aug 28th 2017 at 5:54:47 PM

I almost want this to be true.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#63214: Aug 28th 2017 at 6:06:36 PM

[up] Cryptic Ass Goku. I kind of want to see him and Freeza do the Zamasu/Goku Black Hug now. tongue

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#63215: Aug 28th 2017 at 6:16:32 PM

I'm almost thinking it has to be true.

At least a 96% chance!

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
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#63217: Aug 28th 2017 at 7:03:31 PM

In the case of Hit, it took a while for people to grasp his personality because he was largely not doing much until it was his turn to fight. Jiren, in contrast, has the option of fighting right now, but just isn't and is letting all of his teammates lose in the process.

Honestly, I feel like Hit is one of the better characters to come out of Super. His design is a little strange for me, but I kind of like it. It reminds me of Piccolo or Pikkon and feels like the kind of character design you'd expect to see in Z.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#63218: Aug 28th 2017 at 7:05:14 PM

I like that most of these strong people from the other universes are really weird looking, at least. That's very Toriyama.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#63219: Aug 28th 2017 at 7:05:59 PM

@63212: All I got was a "404 not found" message.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#63220: Aug 28th 2017 at 7:07:36 PM

Same. But I want to say it's that image of Goku talking to Vegeta, Hit, and Frieza at various points over the course of Super about how he plans on not being under the gods forever.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63221: Aug 28th 2017 at 7:09:38 PM

Well a least Goku is planning something.

They really missed the chance to offer some characterization on Jiren. I can't tell if there half-assing it or not.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63222: Aug 28th 2017 at 7:26:21 PM

When it comes to Hit being hyped up better than Jiren, I think Hit also gave us a taste of his powers in a better way. When Hit takes out Frost he uses this weird and cool crystal world that was super intriguing, but when Jiren takes out Kale he just uses generic fireball.

By the by, I wonder when someone is going to make a "Goku lets his guard down Compilation" video.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63223: Aug 28th 2017 at 8:00:35 PM

So, I've been thinking:

You know how the Dragonballs can't be directly used on someone stronger than the dragon's creator (Kami, Dende, or Guru)?

For example, they couldn't wish Nappa and Vegeta dead when they were coming to Earth because they were both stronger than God. It's been pointed out however, that they could have wished for the Saiyans space pods to disappear or something, thereby indirectly affecting them.

So now I ask: how many problems in the series could have been solved by making more indirect wishes, rather than trying to use the balls to directly affect someone against their will?

For instance, if the Z-Warriors had been willing to do something about Gero instead of purposely waiting 3 years for the androids to appear, what wish could they have made?

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#63224: Aug 28th 2017 at 8:02:43 PM

Gero probably wasn't an android by that point and thus could have been killed by Shenron directly.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63225: Aug 28th 2017 at 8:03:22 PM

"Oh great Dragon, please tell us Dr. Gero's location". Then they go there and blow him up.


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