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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#63051: Aug 26th 2017 at 12:00:44 AM

We've already seen that Goku is getting the Limit Break Super Saiyan form.

And if the lyrics/symbolism fit Gohan perfectly, that probably means it's just going to be used for Goku.

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#63052: Aug 26th 2017 at 12:25:08 AM

Even if it's somehow not Gohan, Goku is pretty clearly giving someone else a speech to motivate them to fight in what is described as 'the climax scene'. He's not going to be the last man standing, even with his new form.

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#63053: Aug 26th 2017 at 12:29:34 AM

He better take someone down with it though.

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#63054: Aug 26th 2017 at 12:46:49 AM

That's because team battles are pretty rare, and only tend to happen when it's the weaker characters, or when it's not really going to accomplish anything. And Goku himself doesn't really seem to be much of a team player. It takes a pretty desperate situation for him to consider fighting with a two (or more) on one advantage, or taking outside help during a fight. Hell, first chance he got during this tournament, he immediately flew off to fight on his own rather than staying together as a group like Gohan had tried to plan. As Raditz proved, he can be convinced to team up with someone, but given the choice in the matter, he'd choose to fight one on one every time, so it's not a shock the fandom tends to overlook that stuff when The Hero does as well.

It also doesn't help that the Dragon Ball manga/anime seems to have Goku always appear to be the one to save the day while the characters are just there to slow the enemy down before he swoops in to defeat the villain.

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#63055: Aug 26th 2017 at 1:23:18 AM

Unless General Blue counts, that has only ever happened 3 times in the Saiyan/Freeza saga.

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#63056: Aug 26th 2017 at 1:48:07 AM

I mean, Goku getting a new form and then making way for Gohan would also be a reference to the Boo arc.

If nothing else, the ending implies they're going to be the last ones standing, so we're probably going to be in for some Father and Son tag team action.

edited 26th Aug '17 1:48:16 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#63057: Aug 26th 2017 at 2:35:53 AM

Personally, I'm more interested in what the end of the song means. Maybe it's just normal lyric repetition, to make the song end on the same note the shortened version does, but it feels like there's more to it.

Goku expressing a desire to grow ever stronger happening at the end of the song, after 'the climax scene', indicates that he's going to be pushing himself to get stronger even after the tournament which isn't unusual for Goku. The interesting part is that this spoken desire is immediately followed by saying that even Zen-Oh Sama will be blown away. Saying this before or during the tournament makes sense, since the Tournament of Power literally only exists to entertain the Omnikings and give Goku a good fight, but saying this after the tournament carries a different weight to it.

For some reason, the first scenerio I thought of for this was the Zen-Ohs (possibly orchestrated by the Daishinkan) saying that the best fighter wasn't allowed to use the Super Dragon Balls to bring back the other universes, causing Goku to do a 180 on them and vowing to get strong enough to 'blow Zen-Oh Sama away' in order to make the wish unimpeded. This kicks off the next arc, which is dedicated to everyone training to overthrow the gods and bring back the destroyed universes.

I'll admit that this is unlikely and there are other possible explanations but that was just the first one that came to mind, and it doesn't hurt that some people's theories about the ToP's end and the next arc were already among similar lines.

edited 26th Aug '17 2:36:39 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#63058: Aug 26th 2017 at 2:47:38 AM

I could see Gohan stepping up and Goku being 'beaten' before Goku gets the new form.

After all, you can be knocked out without being disqualified.

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#63059: Aug 26th 2017 at 3:13:14 AM

I guess that's one way to top a tournament with other universes. Literally Goku vs. the Gods.

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#63060: Aug 26th 2017 at 5:55:20 AM

Maybe we are looking too hard in the lyrics.

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#63061: Aug 26th 2017 at 6:26:08 AM

Only one way to find out.

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#63062: Aug 26th 2017 at 8:30:20 AM

[up][up] Do you even Anime? There's almost always symbolism towards what's happening in the show in the opening.

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#63063: Aug 26th 2017 at 8:38:54 AM

[up] Correction: There's always symbolism to what's going on in a good opening.

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#63064: Aug 26th 2017 at 8:56:41 AM

Are you calling this opening bad?

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#63065: Aug 26th 2017 at 9:24:04 AM

No. Limit Break X Survivor never fails to get me hyped AF which, even if it's shallow, is still good. Whether or not the lyrics of the full version have anything to do with events later in the saga remains to be seen but, even if it does, it wouldn't affect the quality of the OP.

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#63066: Aug 26th 2017 at 11:44:48 AM

It's possible that the full OP's second verse actually means nothing but it paints such a vivid, clear picture of a series of events that I'm inclined to believe otherwise.

Some minor spoilers in released images on the Twitter page about tonight's episode, looks like Maji Kayo's going to be fighting Goku.

edited 26th Aug '17 11:55:28 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#63067: Aug 26th 2017 at 12:11:58 PM

To be fair to music or art in general, you could find symbolism (whether real or imagined) in almost anything. If you are Literature, Humanities or Music major, you know what I mean.

edited 26th Aug '17 12:12:13 PM by GAP

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#63068: Aug 26th 2017 at 1:43:07 PM

It's not like anything that's been said is being spouted as fact...sorta. For all we know, it could mean something else entirely. It's just something to think and talk about.

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#63070: Aug 26th 2017 at 1:52:28 PM

I'm here wondering how apparently none of you have actually seen the translated lyrics before, and talking about it as if it's something new.

edited 26th Aug '17 1:52:45 PM by LSBK

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#63071: Aug 26th 2017 at 2:26:02 PM

The second half was released very recently. We only knew the half that actually plays in the show.

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#63072: Aug 26th 2017 at 2:28:35 PM

Full version, then. Okay, makes more sense.

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#63073: Aug 26th 2017 at 2:46:06 PM

Yea, we were mainly discussing the second verse. The first one is pretty straight forward.

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#63074: Aug 26th 2017 at 5:28:12 PM

Today's Episode: Don't fuck with the Elderly.

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#63075: Aug 26th 2017 at 5:31:39 PM

Master Roshi wishes people would, though.

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