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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63001: Aug 25th 2017 at 11:38:27 AM

Well, the last arc had an actual villain. That's a factor.

But yea, the whole universe destruction thing just feels superfluous

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63002: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:03:29 PM

They are treating it seriously, Goku shot a death glare at the Daishinkan and Gohan had a somber moment when looking at the locket. Universe 9's destruction wasn't gotten over quickly, they dedicated an entire half an episode just to the characters processing it. Just because there's more lighthearted moments in the arc doesn't mean the serious and damatic parts aren't treated with the weight they deserve.

What, do you want the whole arc to be nothing but everyone being serious and fighting and falling into clinical depression every time a universe is eliminated? This is Dragon Ball, those kinds of expectations are unrealistic and would be unfitting for the series' overall tone.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63003: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:05:59 PM

[up]They treat it seriously for a few moments, then go back to acting as if nothing is at stake. That was Very Melon's point, and I thought they explained it well. Honestly, it's been a problem since before the tournament actually started.

[up][up]Well, it seemed like they might have been gearing up for a story about "Goku going too far" or something, but if so they abandoned that and seem to desperately want to sweep any implications that this is his fault under the rug. I don't totally blame him for this, and even I think that's going too far.

edited 25th Aug '17 1:31:52 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63004: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:08:42 PM

A few moments does not equal half an episode.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63005: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:10:35 PM

And I don't remember half an episode being devoted to it. Evidently, you and I (and a lot of other people) consider them to be handling this entire situation with different amounts of levity.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#63006: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:22:28 PM

They treated seriously for a few moments, then go back to acting as if nothing is at stake.

They're in the middle of a timed tournament. They don't exactly have time to stand there and mourn.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63007: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:23:24 PM

After checking, I realize that I exaggerated just a little bit: they dedicate 5 minutes to watching everyone process. Remove 3 and a half minutes for the intro/recap, and they dedicated almost a third of an 18 minute long episode just to watching everyone react in horror at a universe being destroyed.

[up]This too.

edited 25th Aug '17 12:24:45 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#63008: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:23:58 PM

There's a line between open, continuous mourning and what most of these people are doing.

There are characters who you can tell are taking this serious throughout, but those seem to just be serious characters in general.

edited 25th Aug '17 12:25:48 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63009: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:35:07 PM

No one asked for mourning. The atmosphere of the Battle Royal just doesn't match the situation at hand, and it creates a dissonance that make it harder for some people to care about than you do.

edited 25th Aug '17 1:47:05 PM by VeryMelon

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63010: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:37:43 PM

Its a little hard to have fun in a situation where even the slightest failure means you & your every loved one dies.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#63011: Aug 25th 2017 at 12:38:00 PM

It's not so much I don't care, but it just makes every universe being erased feel less important than it's supposed to be.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#63012: Aug 25th 2017 at 1:27:50 PM

No one asked for mourning. The atmosphere of the Battle Royal just doesn't match the situation at hand, and it creates a dissonance that make it harder for some people to care about that you do.

It's not so much I don't care, but it just makes every universe being erased feel less important than it's supposed to be.

They treated seriously for a few moments, then go back to acting as if nothing is at stake. That was Very Melon's point, and I thought they explained it well. Honestly, it's been a problem since before the tournament actually started.

Well, it seemed like they might have been gearing up for a story about "Goku going too far" or something, but if so they abandoned that seem to desperately want to sweep any implications that this is his fault under the rug. I don't totally blame him for this, and even I think that's going too far.

Seriously, you guys hit the nail on the head. There is a lot of disconnect between what we are being old and what we are being shown.

edited 25th Aug '17 1:28:21 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#63013: Aug 25th 2017 at 2:31:49 PM

@Limit Break X Survivor Full:

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63014: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:00:05 PM

Usually I'm not a the biggest fan of full-length intros because it sometimes feels like the normal intro, just repeated with different lyrics and with no proper escalation. Limit Break X Survivor is different. They do repeat the same notes but it's not exactly the same and they do build the extended ending up much more than the midpoint, making it worth it. It's super good.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#63015: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:26:21 PM

For the English Dub of The Universe 6 Tournament Arc, Funimation has released some characters bios and some voice recasting. Notably, Hit's gonna make sure you know what time his donuts are coming.

Daman Mills‏, Chris Ayers's understudy, is voicing Monaka.

edited 25th Aug '17 3:31:52 PM by XMenMutant22

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63016: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:29:59 PM

They usually get Matt for the fan favorites. It's the same reason he's Levi on Attack on Titan.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#63017: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:41:09 PM

Wait, who's voicing Magetta? Are they just keeping his Japanese voice actor's vocalizations?

edited 25th Aug '17 3:41:30 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#63018: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:49:15 PM

Who voiced Hit in Xenoverse 2?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#63019: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:53:23 PM

So...Matt is voicing another stoic guy with time powers now?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#63020: Aug 25th 2017 at 3:53:57 PM

[up]x2 Aaron Roberts, and he sends his congrats.

[up]x3: Seems to be that way, which makes sense.

edited 25th Aug '17 3:59:36 PM by XMenMutant22

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#63021: Aug 25th 2017 at 4:12:32 PM

So curious what does everyone think the odds are that Goku will actually end up losing this fight. After all we know that Universe 7 will survive we just don't know how and it has been a pretty common theory that something else is going on.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63022: Aug 25th 2017 at 4:26:34 PM

Well, this is Akira subvert the audience's expectations Toriyama.

He had Goku lose the World's Martial Arts Tournament twice (if only barely both times) before finally letting him win, and has pulled some other tricks—come to think of it, what other times has he done the opposite of what we'd expect to happen?—a few times.

So I'm sure the possibility of Goku getting eliminated is on the table. Look at his fight with Hit. We all wondered if Goku was going to pull off the win or get beat, and instead, he just eliminated himself because he couldn't make the fight better (and Beerus wasted too much time arguing with Champa).

In fact, Goku's runs in tournaments are pretty atypical. Loses twice at the very end, doesn't even compete in the next one he joins, etc.

Anyway, unless there's another surprise we'd get hit with, I'd assume that Goku getting knocked out is a possibility.

One Strip! One Strip!
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#63023: Aug 25th 2017 at 4:35:24 PM

Goku didn't defeat Zamasu, gave up against Hit, got cheap-shoted fighting Freeza after which he only managed a kill steal with help, lost to Beerus, only beat Boo as a part of team effort, and gave up against Cell. Last time he had a honest solid victory at the end of an arc was on fucking Namek.

At this point Goku actually winning the damn thing would be the most unexpected outcome of all.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#63024: Aug 25th 2017 at 4:38:34 PM

...

Huh. I do remember it being pointed out that Goku never actually beat anyone (one on one) in Z, beside Frieza (who still survived) and Yakon (light eating monster).

...Does Toriyama even realize he's given his own hero such a poor win loss record for so long? It's especially funny since the plot consistently treats him as the very last hope and the only one who can save then day...since he has been failing to fully save the day for a while now.

One Strip! One Strip!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#63025: Aug 25th 2017 at 4:58:30 PM

I think you're thinking of how Goku never kills anyone in Z besides Yakon and Kid Buu. He still wins plenty of fights, such as Nappa and the Ginyu Force.


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