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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62851: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:08:23 PM

And that perspective exists because they're deliberately distorting it that way. It's not a point in their favor.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#62852: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:11:16 PM

Why does it have to be distorted? Why can't they just be good guys in a really, really, shitty situation?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62853: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:12:40 PM

Do you question his motives when Superman shows up to fight a villain who's threatening you saying "don't worry, citizen, I'll save you"? If someone introduces themself as something not outside the boundary of reason, I'm 100% going to believe them unless given any evidence otherwise, and neither the Pride Troopers nor the Kamikaze Fireballs have given any evidence otherwise.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#62854: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:13:26 PM

Yeah we have literally seen the Troopers be heroes.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62855: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:14:21 PM

What I meant was, U7 obviously can't be destroyed even if they lose, so there will be some reason why they aren't destroyed, in turn giving narrative plausibility to the others being restored as well.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62856: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:14:31 PM

[up][up][up][up]Maybe they are, but that doesn't change that some people involved in this tournament are shoring up the "Goku and Universe 7 are responsible for all of this" spiel.

edited 20th Aug '17 6:14:53 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62857: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:16:56 PM

[up] Well that's cause Goku has constantly been giving them ammo this whole tournament.

Instead of trying to explain himself he basically acts as the heel towards the rest of them cause all he wants is to beat the shit out of people.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#62858: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:17:05 PM

I would love an arc when Goku and crew travel to the new future timeline.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#62859: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:17:37 PM

They don't have information to counter that though. They don't know Goku at all. Also it is a lot easier to blame someone they can actually do something to over the King of All. It makes sense to find someone to take this out on they are in an insane situation.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62860: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:18:05 PM

Because he is. He literally proposed the tournament, and they don't know that destroying the universes wasn't something he suggested either.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62861: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:20:40 PM

You can just use basic reasoning to understand why he wouldn't propose destroying the Universes. And nothing about his demeanor or what he's actually suggests it either.

Regardless, "Goku" does not equal Universe 7, applying the application of villain to them is petty and nonsensical.

Which, again, given the situation is perhaps understandable, but that doesn't make it any less of a distortion. And also doesn't really fit "heroes of justice".

edited 20th Aug '17 6:21:37 PM by LSBK

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#62862: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:20:48 PM

[up][up] Exactly. It makes sense to blame him in this case. [up] They are literally fighting for the lives of their entire universe. All things considered they are taking it pretty well. Them not thinking clearly makes sense.

edited 20th Aug '17 6:22:32 PM by Jedi1113

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62863: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:22:44 PM

The demeanor argument doesn't work.

You can act all nice but still be a monster underneath.

Lets not forget his allies include rather jerky guys like Vegeta, 17 & Frieza & is apart the same species (sorta) to the chick that just went crazy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62864: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:23:09 PM

Are the Kamikaze Fireballs really all that heroic when Ribrianne vaporized a pair of old ladies/men just for mocking her, or does that count as "had it coming"?

edited 20th Aug '17 6:27:21 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62865: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:24:30 PM

[up][up][up]Did you not read "understandable"? I understand why they're upset, that doesn't mean some of them aren't milking it. Especially when (whether you agree with it or not) you keep having people saying "The Universes were going to be destroyed unless he got them this option". Which as far as all the characters know is true.

[up][up]I don't think any of these characters are thinking in those terms though.

But this is getting off track, the main point is it doesn't matter whether these people are heroes or even nice, nothing about this situation is fair and none of them deserve it. They're universes at large at least don't. You don't need to make them all out to be something they're not to make it sadder.

edited 20th Aug '17 6:31:36 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#62866: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:25:00 PM

...were they vaporized?

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#62867: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:29:18 PM

Ya I think she just blasted them away not killed them.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#62868: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:29:52 PM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62869: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:31:07 PM

[up][up]Given what we're talking about, I don't think that's better.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#62870: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:32:35 PM

Bergamo was deliberately playing it up when he had his spiel about saving the universes, and he admits later that he's always had to use underhanded tactics to survive. I'm not saying he's a dick, but he's just pragmatic. His only display of Heroism was where he was trying to give his universe another shot at surviving.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62871: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:34:29 PM

Ehhhh, she was explicitly firing a beam of emotion at them, and they exploded into smoke in her Magical Girl background. I'm willing to believe they walked away from the experience perfectly fine, having changed for the better with love in their hearts.

[up]He was being pragmatic and manipulative, yeah, but he was doing it out of a place of desperation and a desire to save the people he's close to.

edited 20th Aug '17 6:35:50 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#62872: Aug 20th 2017 at 7:20:54 PM

You know what, based on the previews, I think Roshi is actually going to get himself disqualified in the next episode.

No outside tools or weapons are allowed, and he clearly snuck in a jar to use for his Mafuba.

edited 20th Aug '17 7:24:38 PM by Lionheart0

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#62873: Aug 20th 2017 at 7:39:59 PM

Roshi traps someone, and before they disqualify him, he tosses the jar out of the ring.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62874: Aug 20th 2017 at 7:40:03 PM

Well, jar is a tool, so I guess that is breaking the rules.

I assume when they meant that, they meant tools that could deliberately be used as weapons. The Jar doesn't really do anything beyond act as the container for whoever is caught in the Mafuuba.

One Strip! One Strip!
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#62875: Aug 20th 2017 at 7:51:38 PM

It is not a part of him or created with a technique so it shouldn't be allowed.


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