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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#62827: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:00:36 PM

Of the people left or in general?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62828: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:03:44 PM

Gohan?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62829: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:09:37 PM

18 never really hurt anyone significantly, did she?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62830: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:18:57 PM

She broke Vegeta's arm, but it's Vegeta, and he was being a real douche around that time. Honestly, I'd say that most of the eliminated participants have given no indication of being bad people whatsoever.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#62831: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:28:46 PM

Considering Vegeta killed a ton of people there, 18 was arguably the hero of that fight.

I guess Gohan does count, though.

edited 20th Aug '17 4:46:46 PM by Hobgoblin

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62832: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:29:59 PM

Being an asshole and being an actual bad person don't always intersect.

There are plenty of people here who are assholes, whether they're bad people out of this specific situation has yet to be seen.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62833: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:31:26 PM

For 17 and 18, it depends on what they did before Gero found them (they were both delinquents, so it's a question of whether they were just harmless punks, or if they did some shady shit).

Gohan is unambiguously good though.

One Strip! One Strip!
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#62834: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:33:49 PM

[up]He caused that Universe to get erased though. He's clearly a monster. tongue

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#62835: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:47:42 PM

Gohan murdered Cell's children right in front of him. Is there no end to his depravity?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62836: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:51:47 PM

Most of the eliminated participants don't even seem like assholes. Almost the entirety of Teams U9 and U10 seemed like good, caring individuals, and U2 and U11 are full of Heroes of Justice.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#62837: Aug 20th 2017 at 4:55:14 PM

Gohan is the closest thing to a genuine hero........and even Gohan had his demons.

"Mai waifu."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62838: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:09:14 PM

[up][up]You do realize there are things between being totally evil or totally good right? Saying people are just normal, and even assholish, doesn't somehow imply they deserve to die. Because I would not describe the contestants from Universe 9 the way you did.

And you've just bought completely into U2 and the Pride Troopers' self-branding huh?

edited 20th Aug '17 5:09:57 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62839: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:17:03 PM

The Pride Troopers are way judgemental & harsh.

Jiren is way to arrogant & hands off to be a hero like Superman.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62840: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:18:44 PM

But seriously, most of these characters should probably just looked at as if they were normal people. Some normal people are assholes, some aren't. I think going "no they're all actually good people" kind of ignores the point that erasing the universes is fucked up no matter what.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#62841: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:25:58 PM

Suffice to say, LSBK does have a point as most the of the characters have people that they want to protect.

"Mai waifu."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#62842: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:36:20 PM

There wasn't a feasible way to make up 60+ characters for the audience to care about in such short notice.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62843: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:40:13 PM

Well they could have done adventures in every universe with with new fun characters, letting us get to know them & then reveal that all these people are competing in the tournament.

Though such a plan could have taken a long-ass time to execute.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#62844: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:44:39 PM

But it would had justified why we needed to care about the universes as we never get see what their worlds are like. I really wished that they fleshed out the characters before the tournament.

"Mai waifu."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62845: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:45:32 PM

[up] Indeed that is true.

It would have been worth the trek had they provided the effort.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62846: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:55:14 PM

I would've liked a universe hopping arc before the tournament m. I'm expecting to get one after it's over, even if it'll probably just involve the four exempt universes.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62847: Aug 20th 2017 at 5:56:40 PM

I think it'd be interesting if Universe 7 didn't win. I think that'd make it more likely that the other universes would be restored, since, obviously, 7 can't be destroyed.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62848: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:02:10 PM

DB has not used its alternate universes to its fullest potential or well any well potential really.

Tournaments are nice & all but I prefer engaging in some epic adventures with these new characters instead of them being stuck in some limiting fight contest.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62849: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:05:17 PM

[up][up]The losing universes are being wiped out as soon as they're last member is out, so that doesn't really work.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62850: Aug 20th 2017 at 6:06:30 PM

The only person who kind of seemed like a jerk was Lavenda, and even he cried watching Bergamo's play to try to save everyone. Basil didn't get much characterization aside from being vulnerable to steroid abuse when God supports it, Bergamo was outright heroic, and the rest of the team seemed like normal people. They didn't seem like assholes, and in my book, 'normal' translates to 'good'. I'm not saying they're great people, just good.

Honestly, I've been given no reason to doubt the Pride Trooper's and Kamikaze Fireball's claims to be heroes. We got multiple episodes leading up to the tournament showing the Troopers doing various feats of heroism, and their showings in the tournament seemed fitting enough. Jiren is obviously the lone wolf of the team, but Toppo and the rest seem fine. The Fireballs haven't really shown much heroism, but they do claim heroism, and there's nothing really to dispute that claim yet.

Remember, from the Pride Trooper's perspective, that team fight against Goku, 17, 18, Kale, and Caulifla was a fight of their hero team against the main villain of the arc who set up this whole sadistic tournament, two of his teammates, the dangerous berserker warrior who eliminated one of their members and endangered many lives, and her teammate.


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