TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62801: Aug 20th 2017 at 8:57:58 AM

I'm still not sure how I feel about there being forms stronger than Ultimate Gohan. Power Creep is inevitable per the conventions of the genre, of course, but from what I remember the Old Kai powerup was hyped as the be-all and-all of an individual's power; indeed, the only characters we see stronger than Ultimate Gohan are mergers or fusions of some sort.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62802: Aug 20th 2017 at 8:58:28 AM

Honestly, I don't think this instance of bad writing can be blamed on Toei. I think this is Toriyama and Toyotaro forcing aspects of the manga on the anime writers.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#62803: Aug 20th 2017 at 9:05:06 AM

Well, I like it better than the typical anime writting, so tastes.

Also, Ultimate Gohan is the strongest transformation without God ki. Goku and Vegeta needed to learn how to handle a new kind of Ki to become stronger, after all.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62804: Aug 20th 2017 at 9:07:10 AM

[up] Oh, right, forgot there was a completely different kind of ki at play here.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#62805: Aug 20th 2017 at 9:07:43 AM

I just smile and nod at the changes, it beats trying to make sense of it and getting a headache as a result.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#62806: Aug 20th 2017 at 9:16:23 AM

I have been enjoying the reactions so far.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62807: Aug 20th 2017 at 9:28:47 AM

I mean, "Ultimate" Gohan is just Gohan with all of his potential at the time released or whatever. I'm not really sure what they big deal about that being surpassed is. With the way potential works in Dragon Ball there's nothing saying he couldn't get stronger after it.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#62808: Aug 20th 2017 at 10:28:00 AM

Right. Vegeta even pointed out that Gohan could be stronger than both Goku and himself at the Univers 6 tournament. Goku agreed, but pointed out that Gohan stopped training and went home to be a nerdy family man. So Gohan still could reach those heights if he were a battle-holic and train-a-holic like the other two.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#62809: Aug 20th 2017 at 10:52:00 AM

Hit was great this episode. He's a really intelligent fighter, and I liked how he methodically picked Dyspo apart.

Super Sayian God is back? Well that makes no sense and is inconsistent with what we've seen before, but at this point I already learned to expect stuff like that.

Pfft, Toppo saying that they should stop playing heroes was hilarious, because Pride Troopers were the heels in pretty much all of their fights so far.

[up][up]It's just that Dragon Ball uses the word "potential" in a weird, counter intuitive manner that doesn't line up with the normal definition of the word, hence the confusion.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62810: Aug 20th 2017 at 10:54:32 AM

I don't know, if makes enough sense to me. Someone's potential when they're five isn't going to be the same as when they're 20 or so on. Looking at in that way, it's easy enough to accept.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#62811: Aug 20th 2017 at 11:03:25 AM

Normal definition of a potential i "having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.", under which yeah, a five years old has if anything a higer potential than a 20 years old.

Now, DB uses the term potential in something closer to unused power that exists in body at the moment and not the strength they could develop in the future. Under the common definition of potential, the Ultimate transformation would indeed make Gohan as strong as he could ever become, at least thorough normal means, while the way DB uses it, it just releases the dormant power he already had in his body but wasn't using.

Now, even under the regular definition of potential Goku and Vegeta surpassing Ultimate Gohan would make sense, as they did go through sort-of apotheosis, which is something that could erase their previous limits and give them more room for growth.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62812: Aug 20th 2017 at 11:57:36 AM

Though for the record, I probably wouldn't feel this about Ultimate Gohan if I didn't know Toriyama intended it to be the very last powerup in the series at one point, jii endo.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62813: Aug 20th 2017 at 12:06:20 PM

But on to the episode, legitimately really cool. Not really a lot of problems. The Super Saiyan God thing is weird, but I can buy it so it's doesn't really detract from things.

What does the Pride Troopers stop being "heroic" look like, I wonder.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62814: Aug 20th 2017 at 12:20:11 PM

Think the Namekians from U6 and the invisible bug dudes from U4 will do anything of importance, or are they just there to fill out the teams?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62815: Aug 20th 2017 at 12:35:03 PM

The Namekians are probably just their to give Piccolo spotlight fights and/or a convenient powerup by allowing him to absorb them for some reason.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#62816: Aug 20th 2017 at 12:43:04 PM

I would be very surprised if the U6 Namekians and U4 invisi-bugs didn't each get at least one focus episode. The Namekians are probably going to fight Piccolo and someone else.

I'm positive the invisibugs won't come into play until all other U4 fighters are eliminated, as which point Quitela will reveal that they've had two camoflaged fighters laying invisible explosives throughout the arena the whole time. The bugs reveal themselves and they trigger all the explosions, KOing a bunch of fighters. Then, the bugs are going to either be eliminated in that very episode or they'll stick around for a while, fighting while camoflaged, until they're taken out.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#62817: Aug 20th 2017 at 2:17:09 PM

What does the Pride Troopers stop being "heroic" look like, I wonder.

That's what I wonder to because up until now they've been kind of acting like heels in this tournament, mostly only fighting when they have numbers advantage.

Not even saying that's a bad thing either, because it's the actual logical and pragmatic thing to do, but I wonder if them no longer acting "heroic" will actually be that much different?

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#62818: Aug 20th 2017 at 2:34:13 PM

They do the same thing, but throw in disses about people's mamas in the process.

Also, Hit is the best character to come out of Super, I think, though Zamasu and Black were pretty fun, too.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#62819: Aug 20th 2017 at 2:34:54 PM

[up][up][up][up]

That would be so awkward if Piccolo absorbed the Namekians....why would two random Namekians, from a completely different universe, allow themselves to be absorbed by this random Namek? By doing that they're actively hurting their team by making an enemy stronger.

Also, would that count as eliminations for Piccolo....or killing?

edited 20th Aug '17 2:35:02 PM by hardcorefakes

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#62820: Aug 20th 2017 at 2:54:09 PM

I'm guessing Toppo meant they are just gonna go out no holds barred. Probably won't loudly and clearly announce themselves when they attack, etc.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62821: Aug 20th 2017 at 2:55:04 PM

So basically stop acting like a Sentai nut?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62822: Aug 20th 2017 at 2:55:41 PM

[up][up][up]I don't consider it particularly likely, but I also wouldn't put it past Super. With some justification like "Our universe is probably going to lose but if we give you our power, then Universe 7 might win and some Namekians will get to survive" or some such nonsense.

edited 20th Aug '17 3:07:14 PM by LSBK

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#62823: Aug 20th 2017 at 3:05:00 PM

[up]

Huh, I could almost accept something like that...if they were the last remaining members of U6, and they realized they were about to lose....but it's still weird.

They should still try to fight for their home, no matter what, but Super can't help itself sometimes.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62824: Aug 20th 2017 at 3:10:22 PM

I mean, I'm expecting them to go the route of "Namekians in Universe 6 are assholes" but I don't consider the merger route impossible.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#62825: Aug 20th 2017 at 3:55:06 PM

Is there anyone in this tournament who isn't an asshole?


Total posts: 130,800
Top