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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#62701: Aug 18th 2017 at 6:21:24 PM

That's generally not the issue people have with Vegeta (edit: not here, anyway, I know there are a number of fans who think Vegeta would have completely dropped the rivalry). The manga still made it clear he would continue to compete with Goku.

The problem is that he acts a great deal like his Android arc self, and behaves the same way. They will mention his character development every so often, but still have him acting like he has the same unhealthy approach to everything.

In a nutshell, Super will include plenty of reminders of how he's changed, but when they're not deliberately pointing it out they have him act as though he never changed. It doesn't feel very consistent or organic.

One of the main problems with Super is consistency.

"Mai waifu."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62702: Aug 18th 2017 at 6:38:55 PM

[up] Not true. Super is consistently inconsistent.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62703: Aug 18th 2017 at 6:41:17 PM

[up] Ok thats a paradox I think.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#62704: Aug 18th 2017 at 7:04:40 PM

[up] Exactly.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62706: Aug 18th 2017 at 7:52:55 PM

Ok yeahthe Goku being a bad father joke has gotten seriously out of hand.

He wasn't that into training or martial arts at the beginning of Z.

He seemed like a pretty good dad to toddler Gohan before Piccolo killed him.

edited 18th Aug '17 7:53:20 PM by slimcoder

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#62707: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:01:37 PM

I think it might have something to do with the whole 'Goku is a Saiyan/Saiyajin" and Saiyan/Saiyajin are obsessed about fighting as it is in their genes' therefore 'Goku is a fight obsessed nut who only enjoys fighting more than anything' meme or something of that nature.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62708: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:04:53 PM

Man they're really flogging this Ascended Meme (which wasn't funny even back when it was just a regular meme) to death, aren't they?

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#62709: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:10:35 PM

It doesn't help that 'Goku is a selfish person who only cares about fighting' meme gets regurgitated by many fans when it isn't really the case. Goku is a flawed and naive character but he isn't a monster.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62710: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:11:47 PM

Super seems to try having it both ways with as far as Gohan's relationship with Piccolo and Gohan goes. They've pretty much accepted the "Piccolo is Gohan's father figure" bit entirely, and keep putting him in that role, but I guess not having Gohan pine for Goku's attention is somehow weird or whatever.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#62711: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:14:51 PM

The joke never even made sense. Goku was gone a lot but that was because he was dead. Whenever he wasn't dead there was absolutely no indication that he was ever negligent.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62712: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:16:06 PM

It only worked because it was used in a parody built on very sociopathic comedy & characters.

Putting it in the actual series though just makes everyone look really bad.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62713: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:22:18 PM

We have talked this topic to death so I won't linger on it but I will say...I get it.

Piccolo died for Gohan, he's expressed concern for his well being in dangerous situations, and such, the speech during the Cell Saga (faulty as it is), etc. But the thing is, Goku has also died for Gohan and worried about him in dangerous situations. Goku being away is generally because he's incapacitated or even dead, whereas Piccolo and Gohan generally didn't have extended time with one another regardless of Piccolo's status. Because Piccolo seemed to prefer to just be off on his own for the most part, and his affection for Gohan didn't change that.

edited 18th Aug '17 8:23:04 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62714: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:49:44 PM

"Hey Chi-Chi, where'd that baby come from? Did you steal it from somebody? And why aren't you fat anymore, did you go working out?"

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62715: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:51:57 PM

[up]

I wanna know who's responsible for this.

Cause if this is another Toriyama thing, I'm going to be very unhappy he did this.

And if it's not, then the person who came up with it deserves to have his ass kicked.

Forever.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#62716: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:52:17 PM

Even Abridged Goku isn't this fucking stupid.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#62717: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:04:55 PM

Well at least we know which type of fan Toyotaro is.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#62718: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:06:47 PM

So, what, Chi-Chi never told Goku she was pregnant? She never explained what pregnancy is? She never said, "Hey, stop wrestling giant fish for five minutes because I'm about to go into labor"? D Id they just outright ignore each other?

What an awful, horrible, unhealthy relationship. Who the fuck is responsible for this?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#62719: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:15:07 PM

WOW, OKAY. Fuck off, Toyotarou. Man, just when I had forgotten about how bad the Super manga was, it gets even worse!

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#62720: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:15:42 PM

But the relationship was, is already horrible...

By non-fiction standards...

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62721: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:16:32 PM

Should we really expect much from the creator of Xykor or whatever his name was?

edited 18th Aug '17 9:16:41 PM by HamburgerTime

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62722: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:21:00 PM

It's not like Goku and Chi-Chi's relationship was ever healthy, but that's not really the aspect of this that feels forced.

edited 18th Aug '17 9:21:35 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62723: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:23:37 PM

I mean its not supposed to be a storybook marriage but still this is way to dysfunctional.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62724: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:30:12 PM

Really, outside of Gohan, there was no point in marrying Goku to Chi-chi.

It did nothing for her beyond turning her into a nagging shrew (even if she does have a point), and Goku...well, it seems like it hasn't really added that much to Goku at all.

One Strip! One Strip!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62725: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:32:57 PM

I recall reading somewhere that Chichi was Toriyama's least favorite character to draw, so he decided to add her to the semi-main cast in hopes he could learn to enjoy drawing her more.


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