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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#62651: Aug 18th 2017 at 5:44:37 AM

And then he gets too arrogant and get humbled by a villain and surpassed by Goku.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#62652: Aug 18th 2017 at 7:35:24 AM

He was stronger than SSJ 2.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#62653: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:12:08 AM

Oh shit, the Tuffles are canon.

As I recall, the Tuffles were always canon. It's just that Baby was the most notable one.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#62654: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:13:40 AM

No, the Tuffles only showed up in the Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans OVA and GT, both of which aren't canon.

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#62655: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:21:41 AM

Really? I could've sworn they were mentioned in Kai.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62656: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:23:55 AM

I was under the impression that while the Tuffles story was made for the anime, it's something Toriyama came up with, and is a part of the series history. It's just something that was added later.

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#62657: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:24:16 AM

I think I remember a semi-recent interview (like, a few years ago) with Toriyama where he confirmed that the Saiyans got Scouter tech from the "Tsufururs" which, un-engrished, translates to Tuffles.

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#62658: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:28:59 AM

There have been times where Vegeta was stronger than Goku. For example, he spends most of the Android Saga stronger than him.

Also the Saiyan Arc. Maybe Namek as well, though Goku was training all the while and was stronger than Vegeta by the time he wound up on the planet.

Technically, you could probably count the Zamasu Arc as well, since Vegeta went into the Time Chamber and boosted his Blue while Goku was learning the Mafuba.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62659: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:55:38 AM

Still, it would nice to throw Vegeta a bone once in awhile before Goku inevitably surpasses him and it is going to happen no matter what

And then he gets too arrogant and get humbled by a villain and surpassed by Goku.

So...first you say that you want Vegeta to get his due, then we point out times when he does get said due, and then you act like it doesn't count?

Huuuuuh?!

edited 18th Aug '17 8:55:54 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#62660: Aug 18th 2017 at 8:59:40 AM

Since U10 was erased, my new prediction is that U7, U6, U11, and U2 will be the only Universes left standing with one fighter each, namely Goku, Hit, Jiren, and maybe that Yardrat dude, due to his Instant Transmission. However, judging by the next episode preview, if Hit does wind up getting eliminated, the new carry will probably be Kale or Caulifla.

In term of the actual number of fighters left, there are currently 44 left spread across six universes, U11 only having four members left and U6 and U7 tied for most with nine each. Going by the pattern, I believe either U3 or U4 will be the next one erased.

edited 18th Aug '17 9:02:29 AM by UdtheImp

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#62661: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:05:23 AM

[up][up]Why would it count? Vegeta does nothing but act stupid and get humiliated. Which is him getting his due, but not in the way it was originally phrased.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62662: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:11:28 AM

Well then you have to ask, why does he deserve "his due" beyond just pleasing his fans.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#62663: Aug 18th 2017 at 9:20:22 AM

Back when Vegeta met Cabba, it was revealed that the Saiyan home world was Sadal, and that Planet Vegeta was one the U7 Saiyans conquered after Sadal was lost.

Which fits with the Tuffles' story that they lived on Planet Vegeta but were wiped out by the Saiyans.

So while I don't count Dr. Myuu or Baby as canon because GT, the Tuffles themselves I think are canon.

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#62664: Aug 18th 2017 at 10:36:33 AM

I think I remember a semi-recent interview (like, a few years ago) with Toriyama where he confirmed that the Saiyans got Scouter tech from the "Tsufururs" which, un-engrished, translates to Tuffles.

Tuffle is in no way an accurate transliteration of Tsufuru-jin. The pun comes from fruit, so something like Tsufruian would be the most faithful way to adapt with the pun intact.

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#62665: Aug 18th 2017 at 10:44:10 AM

That wasn't really my point. The point was that Tuffle is the official english translation of Tsufuru and that was a word Akira used. Not necessarily that it's the best possible translation of the original meaning.

edited 18th Aug '17 10:44:51 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#62666: Aug 18th 2017 at 10:48:40 AM

Well, that's what "unengrishing it" implies.

That's just false. Tuffle is a name change,

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#62669: Aug 18th 2017 at 11:44:58 AM

I'll have you know that there's great pride in pedantry. It's what keeps things from becoming an ambiguous mess or, in this case, prevents the spread of misinformation.

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#62670: Aug 18th 2017 at 3:11:19 PM

Baby was a pretty good antagonist.

I remember being scared of him as a kid.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#62671: Aug 18th 2017 at 3:37:39 PM

So...first you say that you want Vegeta to get his due, then we point out times when he does get said due, and then you act like it doesn't count?

Huuuuuh?!

Why would it count? Vegeta does nothing but act stupid and get humiliated. Which is him getting his due, but not in the way it was originally phrased.

Well then you have to ask, why does he deserve "his due" beyond just pleasing his fans.

That is a thing that I was pondering about. I will admit that Vegeta does get his due and there were moments where he was stronger than Goku but it seems like Vegeta also gets too cocky with his rivals and gets humiliated. Vegeta was the strongest for awhile in most of th arcs that he appears in however Vegeta is also setup as a jobber to establish the new villains. I guess I just wanted other characters other than Goku to defeat a main villain.

"Mai waifu."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62672: Aug 18th 2017 at 3:43:59 PM

I've said this before, and I'll probably say it again, but this has never been a superhero comic where characters take turns defeating the main villain or whatever. Vegeta isn't owed anything.

And this is something I see all the time and it greatly annoys me, "Oh, the main character gets more focus than everyone else" as if that's somehow a downside.

If other characters never got focus, that would be one thing, but that's not the case here. That Vegeta or Krililn, or whoever doesn't defeat the main villain doesn't somehow mean they don't matter, and if that's the only thing that matters to you, I don't think the issue is with the show (and again, this isn't just about Dragon Ball).

edited 18th Aug '17 3:45:36 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62673: Aug 18th 2017 at 3:57:58 PM

This is true.

That being said, it's not just about the main villain.

Often times, they can't even defeat minor villains and henchmen, because they are there to get stomped so Goku can arrive at the last minute and roflstomp that dude, in order to show that he's leagues ahead of them.

Now this isn't a universal thing: Vegeta (and to a lesser extent, Piccolo) often get to fight someone just below the bad guy and sometimes beat him as well, but we all know they'll fail to do anything of real significance. They are still luckier than everyone else, who don't even have that honour.

For me, it's more like, we already know Goku is gonna stomp the final boss (and even this isn't guaranteed), so it seems kinda pointless for the story to pretend anyone else will pull anything off, cause they won't.

It is true that that doesn't mean they don't matter (something I've admittedly been guilty of thinking), but it can still be grating.

And now that I've stated my opinion, you must all agree with me and never question it. Because that's what the internet is all about.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#62674: Aug 18th 2017 at 4:06:40 PM

[up] I have similar opinion to yours.

"Mai waifu."
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#62675: Aug 18th 2017 at 4:10:10 PM

I blame the worse parts of the fanbase for getting obsessed with things like this.


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