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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#62276: Aug 7th 2017 at 3:43:21 PM

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He mentioned letting Goku do his thing before teleporting out to look on his own. Seeing has he appeared on Bulma's veranda about an episode later, I'd say his search wasn't successful.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62277: Aug 7th 2017 at 3:53:28 PM

Technically, Pikkon only beat Cell when he wasn't being serious; you cannot tell me that Cell was already using his full power when Pikkon caught him by surprise.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62278: Aug 7th 2017 at 4:06:58 PM

It's filler so it's not like it's relevant.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62279: Aug 7th 2017 at 4:08:00 PM

Plus it shouldn't matter. Cell wouldn't even had been hurt even if he was holding back if he had more Ki.

Then again, they seem to be tossing that rule out (and never really followed it in filler).

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#62280: Aug 7th 2017 at 4:15:09 PM

I mean, if Pikkon is stronger than Cell holding back to 1% of his power, he's still stronger than Cell at 1% of his power; holding back still makes you weaker than people who you would be able to beat if you weren't doing that.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#62281: Aug 7th 2017 at 4:22:21 PM

Keep in mind that this is the same filler BS that had the humans beat the Ginyu Force after training with Kaiou for about six days. It makes absolutely no sense, it's incredibly stupid, and it shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for anything.

Of course, that same sentiment applies to Super as a whole so whatever. They could have Farmer with Shotgun OHKO Zenou and I wouldn't bat an eye.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#62282: Aug 7th 2017 at 4:26:10 PM

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the humans had surpassed the entire Ginyu Force at this point, since it would still leave them light years behind everyone that mattered.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#62283: Aug 7th 2017 at 4:27:58 PM

I miss the Ginyu Force.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62284: Aug 7th 2017 at 4:28:27 PM

The last time we saw Krillin's BP, he was stronger than every member except Ginyu so I could totally buy him being stronger than all of them. Hell, I could buy him reaching that point around the Android Saga. As for the other humans? I honestly doubt it but it's not like it really matters.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62285: Aug 7th 2017 at 5:28:36 PM

I agree that training with Kaio wouldn't boost them that high. Not even with the Kaioken.

I mean, even if we take the fact that up until Namek, the humans tended to become stronger than Goku was using the same training (even if he's still light years ahead), it's kinda hard to stomach.

I mean, by that point, Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu would be hard pressed to catch up to Krillin.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#62286: Aug 7th 2017 at 5:41:15 PM

Why are all ten of U7's strongest people, bar the one they grabbed from the afterlife, Earth-based?

They actually bring this up. When they're down Buu and need a member, Beerus complains about how everyone is from Earth and blames Goku and co for killing all the strong people from the Frieza Force. That's how Goku gets the idea for Frieza in the first place.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62287: Aug 7th 2017 at 5:48:17 PM

He should blame Frieza for killing all the strong people well before Goku came into the picture. Hell, Goku tried to spare Frieza's life three fucking times.

He should also blame Bibidi for creating Buu and fucking up the universe.

He should also blame himself for probably destroying a few planets with strong fighters too, as well as sleeping through the aforementioned Buu's rampage.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62288: Aug 7th 2017 at 5:49:53 PM

Didn't Vegeta actually kill most of the Planet Trade bigshots?

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#62289: Aug 7th 2017 at 6:25:57 PM

You expect Beerus to be informed enough to know that?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62290: Aug 7th 2017 at 6:30:30 PM

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All of them actually.

Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, 4/5th's of the Ginyu force, every other fucking soldier Frieza brought with him, and then the final member of the Ginyu force years later...

...well ok, he killed all the Planet Trade members on Namek. It was Frieza himself who wiped the organization out with his final act of revenge.

All that's left is The New Day.

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bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#62291: Aug 7th 2017 at 7:01:00 PM

Earth is where all of the mightiest beings in Universe 7 live now. Goku, Vegeta, and 17 rival the new Frieza in power. Gohan in his now returned Ultimate form is stronger than Super Buu with Buu Saga Piccolo and unfused Goten and Trunks absorbed. Universe Survival Saga Piccolo is even with Super Saiyan 2 adult Gohan, putting him on par with Dabura and Cell at least before his self destruction that made him stronger. Android 18/Lazuli is much stronger than Frieza Saga Frieza. Krillin, Tien, and Roshi are all stronger than the Ginyu force with the possible exception of Ginyu (not Tagoma Ginyu, regular Ginyu). Frieza was said to be the most powerful mortal in the 7th Universe, surpassed only by Shin (a god), Beerus (also a god), Majin Buu (I don't know what he is but he's not mortal as he's existed since the dawn of time), and Dabura (who is from the demon realm, which is described as a polar side to the universe). The Ginyu Force was comprised of Frieza's most powerful men (except Guldo). The only people stronger than even Roshi, Krillin, and Tien not counting Buu (who's asleep) and the other members of the team are either already dead (Ginyu, Shisami, Dabura, Cell, Yakon possibly Pui Pui, and 16), too difficult to control (the Comeson possessing someone, Arale), have been retconned from Super continuity (Abo and Cado), aren't considered experienced enough (Goten and Trunks), or are considered too young (Uub).

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#62292: Aug 7th 2017 at 7:07:49 PM

I still call shenanigans on Goten adn Trunks being excluded when Krillin, for all of his experience, only lasted 5 minutes. tongue

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#62293: Aug 7th 2017 at 7:20:50 PM

They could have Farmer with Shotgun OHKO Zenou and I wouldn't bat an eye.

Are you implying that Farmer with a Rifle Shotgun isn't the strongest character in the series?

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#62294: Aug 7th 2017 at 7:31:50 PM

What about in how the early parts of the manga where Goku was shot despite having his guard?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62295: Aug 7th 2017 at 7:38:44 PM

It never did anything but give him a slight headache and piss him off though.

Goku didn't even understand that guns were supposed to be able to kill him, because to him they were so weak he couldn't grasp why people thought they'd do anything.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62296: Aug 7th 2017 at 7:40:52 PM

You know, I wonder if Mr. Satan is stronger than beginning-of-series Goku; according to Word of God his PL then was only ten.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#62297: Aug 7th 2017 at 7:41:58 PM

Satan has been nearly killed by a bullet, so I doubt it.

Then again, that may be Goku's natural durability rather than anything connected to his power level.

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#62298: Aug 7th 2017 at 8:01:24 PM

@bobg I think you're underselling Team Universe 7 a little. According to a writer, Gohan is currently stronger than 17, who are both just barely behind the Goku/Vegeta/Freeza trio, Piccolo was actually stronger than SS2 adult Gohan, which should put him somewhere in-between Super Perfect Cell and Mr. Buu, and the Humans are all easily more powerful than Namek arc 100% Freeza by this point, what with all of them being capable of putting up a decent fight against base Goku and Krillin keeping up with 18 as a duo.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#62299: Aug 7th 2017 at 8:10:21 PM

How'd 17 get jacked up that much?

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#62300: Aug 7th 2017 at 8:11:58 PM

'tecting aminals.


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