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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#62076: Aug 2nd 2017 at 3:05:58 PM

[up]Therefore, I'd argue that 16 dying would actually prevent the situation from getting better.

Is there a typo? Because the previous paragraph described 16's death as making everything better.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62077: Aug 2nd 2017 at 3:07:55 PM

You mean prevent the situation from getting worse, right?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#62078: Aug 2nd 2017 at 3:09:49 PM

[up][up]and[up]

Yeah. That was a typo on my part. Fixed in the actual post.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#62079: Aug 2nd 2017 at 3:20:11 PM

I'm linking this because it is the best Dragon Ball story. A better Dragon Ball story literally cannot be written. Everyone can go home now.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62080: Aug 2nd 2017 at 3:30:42 PM

....That kind of makes me not wanna read it.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#62081: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:17:52 PM

@Gohan being as central as Krillin, Vegeta, and Bulma: Not really. He had no role whatsoever in Dragon Ball, a minor role in the Saiyan/Namek Saga, a major role only at the tail end of the Cell Saga and almost no role before then, a major role in the Buu Saga, a very minor role in the Beerus arc, a minor role in Resurrection 'F', no role whatsoever in the U6/U7 tournament, no role whatsoever in the Future Trunks arc, and a major(?) role in the Universal Survival arc.

Bulma and Krillin both have much more overall prominence than he does, factoring in Dragon Ball, even if Krillin hasn't had any significant amount of focus recently and Bulma only came back into prominence with the Future Trunks arc. Vegeta only has as much focus as he does because the man absolutely insists on having some sort of role in every single arc after his introduction.

That's not to say that Gohan isn't really close to the aforementioned three in importance as a character (though that's less because of anything Gohan's done in more recent arcs and more because of Krillin and Bulma not doing much of anything for multiple arcs). If the Universal Survival arc puts a large enough amount of focus on him, it alone may tip the scales.

edited 2nd Aug '17 4:20:07 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#62083: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:30:59 PM

Krillin had just as much, if not more, focus than Gohan during the Saiyan/Namek arcs. He also had more prominent of a role for the entire Cell Saga, up until Gohan suddenly did his thing at the end. He was almost as focused on in Resurrection 'F' as Gohan and he had just as minor of a role in the Beerus arc.

The only times in the entire series where Gohan noticeably outshines Krillin is at the very end of the Cell Saga, the entire Buu Saga, and the Universal Survival arc (so far).

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62084: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:33:16 PM

I mean, for the parts that Gohan actually existed, yeah, I'd say he was much more prominent than Krillin or Bulma. It doesn't actually need to be said they were more prominent during the portion of the series set years before he was born.

Saying Krillin was more prominent during the Saiyan and Namek Sagas, or Androids until the end just sounds like massive stretching to me. At best, Krillin was on par with him.

edited 2nd Aug '17 4:34:36 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#62085: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:35:48 PM

They was definitely on par right up until the end, where Krillin's death triggers the most iconic moment of the franchise.

For the Androids, Krillin had his whole thing with 18 while Gohan did basically nothing aside from investigate Cell's egg.

edited 2nd Aug '17 4:37:21 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#62086: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:38:56 PM

That whole thing with 18 really wasn't really that long.

I'm not really sure what to say about you using Krillin dying and being removed from the story at that point as a reason he's more prominent than Gohan in the Namek Saga. That's just...

edited 2nd Aug '17 4:39:50 PM by LSBK

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#62087: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:49:54 PM

Because his death motivates Goku. Same thing with Demon King Piccolo, where he's dead the whole time but his presence can be felt constantly through Goku's actions and reactions.

Krillin's thing with 18 went from the second she kissed him to a little bit after Cell absorbed her, and there is a sizable chunk of the story mostly focused on Krillin, Vegeta, and Trunks.

edited 2nd Aug '17 4:53:00 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62088: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:52:54 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#62089: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:54:21 PM

Oh good this dead horse

This issue has come up multiple times before, and I don't see anyone changing Pushover's unique interpretation of prominence

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#62090: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:55:05 PM

It's more that the more extreme a reaction other characters have to his death, the more impactful the moment is in hindsight.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62091: Aug 2nd 2017 at 4:57:55 PM

[up][up] Oh if that's the case then I don't actually care anymore. No sense in talking to someone who's not gonna budge on their stance.

[up] yes, the extreme reaction of other characters, not the one you keep insisting is the focal point when they're not.

edited 2nd Aug '17 4:59:12 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#62092: Aug 2nd 2017 at 5:03:49 PM

1. Based on what you guys have said on the matter, it seems to me that my earlier analysis of resurrection F was correct; Frieza's return meant the end of the world no matter what happened. The rest of the Z-fighters didn't stand a chance, Goku couldn't defeat him even with his new transformation and when luck began to smile upon him, he let down his guard and still lost. Vegeta may have gained the upper hand, but, until someone else here gives me logical, sound and unbiased argument, it seems to me that that only happened because Goku wore Frieza down to his limit. And in the end, it was still Vegeta who pushed Frieza to point where he destroyed the Earth, so, like I said; Frieza's return meant end no matter what the Z-fighters did. It was only because Whis gave everyone a rewind and a Redo that everything turned out great really doesn't sit well with me. Especially when I think about how Gohan was nearly killed during this arc and in front of his baby brother no less as well.

2. Is it me or has Dragon Ball Super been mostly revolving around the power of the franchise's deities?

3. Technically speaking, isn't Goku's a royal too? He married into the Family of the Ox-king when he married his daughter, Chi-Chi, who is still the princess until she dies.

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#62093: Aug 2nd 2017 at 5:06:28 PM

Super only exists because of these gods.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62094: Aug 3rd 2017 at 12:39:05 AM

So I was watching more of Boo Saga Kai and encountered something interesting that made me pause and double check the manga to confirm it.

At some point between Cell and Boo, Dende upgraded Earth's Dragon Balls.

After they wish back all of the people Vegeta killed, Goku pops in and asks Dende what they should do. Dende, who pretty much knows what they wished for, tells Goku to tell Shenron that they don't need the other two now. Ergo, mass revivals no longer eat up two wishes.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#62095: Aug 3rd 2017 at 12:53:37 AM

You were dub watching?

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62096: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:04:51 AM

I checked the manga. It's there, too.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#62097: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:09:24 AM

[up][up][up] No, Piccolo corrects Goku later and says they only have one wish due to using a mass revival. The limit still applies (although the way Piccolo says it makes it sound like they only have two wishes tops, unless he and Goku were talking about the expected two wishes remaining).

For Dende not knowing, well, since Goku had to tell him they even used a wish he must not have seen what happened and so wouldn't know what the wish was. It was only after Goku returned that everything was explained.

edited 3rd Aug '17 1:09:58 AM by Saiga

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62098: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:11:37 AM

[up] Oh, I wasn't aware of Piccolo correcting him later on. Even so, Goku says that Bulma's going to use the Dragon Balls to bring back everyone Vegeta killed so there'd be no reason for Dende to assume that the wish was anything other than a mass revival.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#62099: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:32:02 AM

I think it's an error, but it's easily explained. After all, Goku is just saying what he thinks they're doing, and only tells Dende they've used one (in fact, by saying they've used one, he's misleading Dende).

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#62100: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:43:37 AM

More shots of the new mobile game Dragon Ball The Strongest Warriors.

Seems there will be some adventuring, and it looks like this game will be an action RPG with some fighting elements. Also, more characters we're shown off, and it seems this is who we know is playable so far:

  • Kid Goku
  • Kid Krillin
  • Krillin
  • Kid Chi-Chi
  • Chi-Chi
  • Ox-King
  • Master Roshi
  • Jackie Chun
  • Tao Pai-Pai
  • Tien
  • Yajirobe
  • Piccolo

It wouldn't surprise me if adult Goku or King Piccolo were also playable, but they weren't shown off.


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