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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61826: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:39:14 PM

[up]That's my point. You guys haven't done anything worth this level of defense over. This debate only lasted 2 pages because one side decided the other was wrong to critique.

edited 27th Jul '17 7:40:03 PM by VeryMelon

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61827: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:42:53 PM

I'm sorry guys, from now on I'll just keep silent. It's completely unfair to criticize anything that somebody could lik, after all. Not showing 100% adoration for something that other people like is such an unforgivable sin.

I'm gonna go sit in a corner and think about my sin.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61828: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:44:51 PM

Ok lets just drop this, were moving on.

So .................. uhhhhhhh so how many of the other Gods of Destruction are most likely big eaters like Beerus & Champa?

edited 27th Jul '17 7:45:10 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61829: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:49:33 PM

Dragon Ball is fine to mix wacky and serious, that doesn't mean it will be executed well in every instance and I'd say the TOP is handling it poorly with most characters' behaviour being extremely confusing.

You know, the funny thing is for all the complaining here, I'm guess a large part of the fanbase really don't think stuff like this is out of character for Goku. Funny in a sad way.

That was the first thing I thought as well. That's another thing I don't like about this joke, it sends the entirely wrong impression about the cast.

I suppose this is as good a time as any to ask this: does Super's portrayal make you like Goku more, like him less, or have no impression at all.

No impression, for the most part. Goku's characterization is so exaggerated and inconsistent that I blame Super for these things, not Goku. This doesn't really reflect on Goku's original character when it is this wildly different.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61830: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:49:53 PM

If you had a choice, would you be a Kaioshin or Hakaishin?

I don't have it in me to destroy an entire planet full of life even if it is something necessary for the universe's balance. I also think overall, Kaioshin's powers are more useful.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#61831: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:50:48 PM

This conversation had me thinking about what would happen if the same events happened but Goku's personality was more in line with Z.

edited 27th Jul '17 7:51:02 PM by LordVatek

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61832: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:52:16 PM

Kaioshin powers are definitely more useful for non-sociopathic purposes, but they get no respect and life would be boring.

At least as a Haikaishin I can extort people for food and entertainment.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61833: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:53:25 PM

[up][up]Manga Z, Anime Japanese dub Z or Anime English Z?

[up]

Though not all Hakashin are sociopathic, least not the top four. So i don't think it's a requirement of the job.

edited 27th Jul '17 7:56:05 PM by Cortez

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#61834: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:53:50 PM

Okay, no. It IS relevant because people were complaining that a joke about not attacking people while they were transforming was wrong for the Tournament of Power's serious tone. This conversation has now gone on for 3 pages, and don't say that it went on for 2 pages because 'people claimed you couldn't have objections' because I wasn't even there for the first 2 pages of this!

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61835: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:54:00 PM

Can we be an Angel instead; better chances of trolling someone. tongue

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61837: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:56:27 PM

[up] What's the difference?

I guess I could be a Destroyer if I emotionally shut myself & destroy everything from a distance.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#61838: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:59:35 PM

Honestly, Super probably could have been really good if everything was more in line with the original manga. RoF wasn't the greatest but it also wasn't that bad and, while Goku Black is very fanfic-y, that entire saga could have still been done well. The idea for the Universe Survival Saga is also a great one.

The ideas for Super are all pretty good but the execution is just so poor. There are moments where it's good and where that potential shines through but they are few and far between.

Also, I'd be a Hakaishin. I'd actually get respect that way.

edited 27th Jul '17 8:00:25 PM by Zelenal

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61839: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:00:33 PM

I do like how we just have Black and Zamasu chilling in a log cabin of all things drinking tea.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61840: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:01:12 PM

[up]×5

Yeah, though we'd have to train the destroyers.

[up] Stuff like that are really fun, yes. And the emotional aspects have been really good in Super, especially when it involves character history.

Like Roshi doing his final training in Korin's tower and Roshi saying his time spent there in his youth is one of his fondest memories.

edited 27th Jul '17 8:06:49 PM by Cortez

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61841: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:02:37 PM

[up] Curious to know how Beerus became a Destroyer then.

How'd he get that strong?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61842: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:04:44 PM

For that matter, i'm curious of where Beerus and Champa originated from. One of them probably isn't ruling over their home universe or both if they're from Dyspos's race.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#61843: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:06:29 PM

Real talk, the reason my posts take so long to go up is because I spend half of it trying to hold back my anger at feeling misrepresented and made out to be the bad guy. Sometimes it feels like I can't even have an opinion here because a bunch of people are going to jump on me and feign like I'm trying to censor them, which makes me feel attacked and like I'm being falsely accused of committing a crime I didn't do.

There's a real miscommunication here with the difference between "here's my argument as to why I think your opinion is wrong" and "don't have that opinion because it's wrong". The former is normal fucking debate.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61844: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:13:13 PM

I think some of Super's ideas have potential, but there are also a lot that create more problems that they're worth. As one example, the Super DBs are pretty necessary to make the Goku Black arc work, but it was hard enough to have proper tension with the two sets of balls that already exist. Introducing a third set that don't have the necessary limitations of the previous sets is just asking for narrative trouble.

Still, if the tone were more in line with the original manga Super would at least be better. But I don't think a sequel was ever really needed - the original run is mostly satisfying, and the dissappointments it had were probably never going to be fixed by a sequel.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#61845: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:19:09 PM

[up] To be fair, the Super Dragon Balls are only arbitrarily better than Namek's were in the Boo Saga.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61846: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:20:59 PM

No, they're way worse. Namek's balls are still bound by the "can't exceed the power of the creator" rule, but the Super balls are able to forcibly body swap Goku for instance.

That is the single biggest balancing limitation on the balls.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61847: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:22:13 PM

I think the main problem with Super is the lack of proper vision. Both the anime and manga are using rough drafts they have to fill in the blanks for, which results in uneven storytelling from both mediums.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61848: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:22:39 PM

I wonder when Universe 7 wins if Frieza is going to try and steal the with on the Super Dragon Balls to wish himself the new Omniking or something.

edited 27th Jul '17 8:23:01 PM by LSBK

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#61849: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:30:07 PM

Okay could someone explain the whole 'can't exceed the power of the creator' thing? I never understood that since I'm pretty sure none of the creators can revive the dead, make objects materilze from nothing, or instantly transport beings across the universe. How is body swapping any more taxing? What defines the power of the creator?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61850: Jul 27th 2017 at 8:34:26 PM

It's about raw power, not specific abilities.

This mostly comes in to play with the Dragons being unable to effect people against their will if their power exceeds that of the Dragon's creator.

So no wishing the Saiyans dead.


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