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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61801: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:46:04 PM

Plus, the information about the previous episodes have also been wrong; we all thought Krillin was going to accidentally kill someone and get disqualified based on the spoilers for the episode, but all it amounted to was Krillin getting pushed off the arena by Frost because he lost focus, and the last episode spoilers made it sound like Goku was going to either explain and/or teach Caulifla about Super Saiyan Blue, but all it amounted to was Goku telling her she wasn't ready for it. Hell, the current spoilers for the next episode say that Goku has to team up with Kale and Caulifla to fight the Pride Troopers Jiren sent after Goku, but it makes no mention about 17 and 18 getting involved as well by fighting Kahseral.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#61802: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:47:18 PM

I don't really have a problem with people not liking the line but I do question why that line is getting attention. It's not like Goku being more dumb is a new development. I would think that people are used to it by now.

edited 27th Jul '17 5:47:31 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61803: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:49:04 PM

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It's not stupid at all, since again in context is amounted to him telling her to focus on Super Saiyan 2 first and having a sparring match with her.

And the only one that looks bad is the person jumping to conclusions over a summary without actually watching the episode, because they obviously don't have an informed opinion yet.

Now if they watched the episode and didn't like the scene, that's different. That's ok.

[up]×2

Exactly and sometimes the translator gets several things wrong.

edited 27th Jul '17 5:50:36 PM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61804: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:51:50 PM

Him helping enemies at all consider what's supposed to be at stake her is stupid. People just happened to like the character interactions.

And you say that, but assuming this actually does happen, and people complain about it for reasons they explain, the same people here are still probably going to say "stop complaining about things I like" like has been happening whenever anyone complains about anything.

And if nothing comes of it, it won't probably won't be brought up again, because that hasn't been happening.

edited 27th Jul '17 5:53:40 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61805: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:53:30 PM

Ok one thing that started this particular argument is that the Universe 2 girls might fuse & 17 seeing an opportunity of attack takes it.

Then its considered a rude move & possibly Goku of all people (same guy who decked someone when they were charging a finisher) says "Its not polite to attack someone while their fusing."

Goku may be an idiot but combat is the one thing where the guy is supposed to have a functioning brain.

edited 27th Jul '17 5:53:43 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61806: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:55:37 PM

I mean, Vegeta also is being pretty chill with Cabba at the moment; and again, no one in this tournament seemed to actually give a fuck about the situation beyond saving their home universe before they saw the Zenos erase Universe 9. Even then, that only seems to have made most of them more determined to save their own universes, beyond some comments of disgust on it happening.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61807: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:55:50 PM

[up]×3 Right, because Goku would never do something like, i don't know, giving a senzu bean to the guy fighting his son.

There's also an important distinction here, Goku know that most of these guys aren't bad people and just fighting for survival as well.

He's not fighting pure evil villains.

[up]×2

Again, the "merging" thing seems to be an error in translation.

edited 27th Jul '17 5:57:47 PM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61808: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:57:43 PM

Yeah, if you just completely ignore context there, you might actually have a point.

And what does them fighting for survival as well have anything to do with this? They're all working under the assumption that only one of their universes will be spared. Goku has said he's going to make it theirs. There really isn't a lot of wiggle room here.

edited 27th Jul '17 5:59:21 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61809: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:59:04 PM

His fight with Cell was over.

The fight was already off the ring compared to with Reccome.

edited 27th Jul '17 5:59:27 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61810: Jul 27th 2017 at 5:59:46 PM

[up]×2

No, paying attention to context here is important, since obviously Goku takes no pleasure in the other Universes getting erased.

"Ignoring the context" here ignoring that Goku isn't a heartless monster.

[up]

Doesn't really change the fact that Goku healed the evil monster that wants to kill his son. Especially since if he hadn't given Cell the senzu, Gohan would probably have had an easier fight.

If he's willing to let an evil monster like cell heal up, i don't have hard time believing he'd give someone simply fighting for survival a chance to transform.

edited 27th Jul '17 6:05:13 PM by Cortez

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61811: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:00:55 PM

Again, not taking the situation for what it actually is seems to be a problem with everyone, not just Goku; hell, no one seems to be complaining about Caulifla actually stopping to ask Goku about Super Saiyan Blue in the middle of a battle royale. Plus, how the hell is 17 able to do this at all, when he's currently on the defensive with his sister against one of the stronger Pride Troopers?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61812: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:01:37 PM

[up][up]He doesn't have to a heartless monster to understand that 1) only one universe is (ostensibly) going to survive here and 2) they're under a time limit and thus really shouldn't be fooling around.

That he doesn't want them destroyed has no barring on what he has said he's going to do.

[up]I already brought that up, her actually doing that was pretty stupid too. How a lot of these characters are acting is stupid and makes no sense even though they understand the gravity of the situation.. We had long discussions about it. Sometimes it leads to nice character interactions, other times, not so much.

And I'm really not sure why the idea that people can dislike the idea of something is so hard for some of you to get. I don't have to actually see an episode about Master Roshi perving on/sexually molesting some of the female fighters to know that I'll dislike said episode. Which probably will happen, actually, but for now is just hypothetical.

edited 27th Jul '17 6:07:56 PM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61813: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:07:03 PM

[up]×2

They're on the defensive against Universe 11 in episode 101. The summary about Rebrianne is about episode 102.

[up]

The problem is that a lot of these summaries have been wrong, not translated properly or simply not the worst case scenario some people thought they'd be.

Ah, but because he's not a heartless monster, he wants the other fighters to give their best shot too. Plus, Goku asked for this tournament because he wanted to fight strong fighters from other Universes.

edited 27th Jul '17 6:20:13 PM by Cortez

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#61814: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:10:37 PM

On the topic of letting transformations happen, it's funny that Vegeta tells Frieza to go all out from the start since there would be no point to beating up his weaker form only for him to turn into a stronger form and be completely at full-power and virtually unharmed.

And that's exactly what happens.

Twice.

edited 27th Jul '17 6:10:52 PM by Hobgoblin

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61815: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:12:06 PM

Yes, and you think they'll beat one of the leaders in one episode, or that they won't get attacked by one of the other members? Hell, I could see Toppo attacking them next if he sees them beating him.

[up][up][up] Didn't one of the last episodes, and a character moment during the set-up for the tournament itself, inform us that Roshi was actually training to suppress his pervertedness during the tournament, since this battle is too important for him to lose just because of the off-chance that he ends up fighting a female fighter?

edited 27th Jul '17 6:12:28 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61816: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:13:02 PM

[up][up][up]And I have seen people keep complaining about those things in that case. But when stuff that people still considers bad happens, and they explain why, this thread still has several people going "You're wrong or, stop saying mean things about stuff I like".

Personally, I probably wouldn't care that much about this, however, it's not that hard to see why people dislike the idea of the joke, or that Super's track record has not earned it the benefit of the doubt for a lot of people.

edited 27th Jul '17 6:13:21 PM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61817: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:15:08 PM

But it is, since they're jumping to conclusions about a scene they haven't watched, which is silly. They don't have an informed opinion of the scene.

edited 27th Jul '17 6:17:25 PM by Cortez

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#61818: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:23:12 PM

I think some of you want the Tournament of Power to be more serious and dark than it already is. Yeah, the stakes here are higher than they've ever been, but it's still an arc of Dragon Ball. In-between the horrifying moments where entire Universes are wiped from existence, we're still going to be getting moments and episodes of levity and goofyness. It's like complaining that One Piece isn't going full grimdark, even when there are really dark moments around the funny ones.

edited 27th Jul '17 7:30:21 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61819: Jul 27th 2017 at 6:59:52 PM

And I think you're getting a tad defensive over some people not liking a joke.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#61820: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:05:41 PM

You have a very odd definition of 'defensive'.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61821: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:08:11 PM

Right now you seem to fit it just fine, otherwise you wouldn't have commented on anyone's mild criticism.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#61822: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:11:47 PM

'Mild criticism' that goes on for two pages before I even gave any input whatsoever. How about you stick to the topic at hand instead of changing the subject to me, which is against the rules?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61823: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:23:47 PM

Wasn't talking bout you champ. Just giving you a heads up on why your counterarguments haven't convinced anyone to agree with your points.

edited 27th Jul '17 7:26:47 PM by VeryMelon

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#61824: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:29:29 PM

I'm just saying it like it is: Dragon Ball is always going to have wacky moments mixed in with the serious ones, even in its most heavy and intense arcs.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#61825: Jul 27th 2017 at 7:37:17 PM

None of that contradicts any of the criticisms that you're addressing, so I don't get what you're trying to say with a statement like that.

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