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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61752: Jul 27th 2017 at 11:24:55 AM

[up][up] Toriyama still works on the series, he's just in a more secondary role than before. And ya know, he DID write ROF.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61753: Jul 27th 2017 at 11:30:07 AM

I know, I mentioned that, but his participation doesn't really fix the issues I'm talking about.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#61754: Jul 27th 2017 at 11:55:21 AM

Does Toriyama keep Toei/Toyotaro on a leash of some sort?

I assume he has to keep, to keep shit from becoming too insane.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#61755: Jul 27th 2017 at 11:58:02 AM

I'm not sure if he does.

I mean, when it comes to Toei, he seems to actually like some of the stuff they've done (Bardock, Super Saiyan 4), and he came up with the fusion earrings so as not to step on their toes when they beat him to the punch on fusing Goku and Vegeta.

And it's been said that he only monitors Toyotaro when it comes to gags, and is apparently lenient on everything else. It's seems he just lets them do their own thing when they want to.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#61756: Jul 27th 2017 at 12:23:00 PM

At the same time, anything Toriyama suggests or is in his outline might as well be a commandment from God. Toriyama has far too much respect and high standing in this regard for Toei or Toyotaro to do otherwise.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#61757: Jul 27th 2017 at 12:30:19 PM

The outline seems pretty vague, considering how different "Trunks slices Merged Zamasu in half, which ends up causing many Zamasu to appear everywhere" ended up being in the two mediums.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#61758: Jul 27th 2017 at 12:32:50 PM

[up][up]I guess that's why it works.

As long as they don't go against what he's actually done in the manga, they're all free to expand on things as they see fit. This does create the problem of constant contradictions since you can never be sure of when Toriyama will make up something new that goes against Toei's attempt at Adaptation Expansion...even in those rare cases where the expansion was perfectly good in it's own right, as was the case with The Bardock Ova and Dragonball Minus.

edited 27th Jul '17 12:33:00 PM by HandsomeRob

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61759: Jul 27th 2017 at 12:34:50 PM

I remember it being mentioned that he wants them to do their own thing and not rely on his outline that much. They just don't because of the aforementioned admiration and respect. And even doing that, both stories are still pretty different in approach.

edited 27th Jul '17 12:48:38 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61760: Jul 27th 2017 at 12:44:03 PM

Well shit let me write the manga cause I'd certainly do my own thing. tongue

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#61761: Jul 27th 2017 at 1:08:53 PM

Its not just gags that he specifies. He actually goes over Toyotaro's work and will redo it himself if he thinks its not quite right. Toyotaro posted an example of this showing where Toriyama redrew Zamasu in some panels.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61762: Jul 27th 2017 at 1:08:54 PM

At this point, I doubt Toriyama really cares, or at least as much as when he was the head writer. Toyo tries to show him respect while doing his own thing, and Toei add things they feel like long time fans will like.

Evidently, it's working because Super is damn popular despite it's issues. Not that popularity is indicative of quality, but there are clearly more people that like (or at least tolerate) Super more than hate it, and that's likely attributed to it being...Dragon Ball.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#61763: Jul 27th 2017 at 1:14:41 PM

I mean wasn't GT popular when it was airing?

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#61764: Jul 27th 2017 at 1:15:28 PM

Wow, you guys are really jumping to conclusions over a preview. Like remember how everyone overreacted about the previews saying Caulifla asking Goku how to become a Super Saiyan Blue? Which ended up being Goku telling her she's not ready for Super Saiyan Blue yet and that she could reach Super Saiyan 3, but should focus on mastering Super Saiyan 2.

So maybe we all should chill.

Also, Ribrianne isn't literally merging with her teammates.

[up] It didn't make to a 100 episodes. Unlike OG Dragon Ball, Z and now Super.

@felipelight: Guess you never saw Manga Goku.

[up]×2

Nah, you got right at like, nothings popular if people just "tolerate".

edited 27th Jul '17 2:16:06 PM by Cortez

felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#61765: Jul 27th 2017 at 2:39:49 PM

Manga Vegeta in chapter 510 specifically says Goku fights to save innocents... Nvm shitty Spanish translation lol

edited 27th Jul '17 2:42:07 PM by felipelight

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#61766: Jul 27th 2017 at 3:59:42 PM

People, stop freaking out over "we don't attack people while they're transforming". It's clearly just funny meta-humor in the same vein as "oh, you scream while powering up, too". I love it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61767: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:02:30 PM

I mean, yeah, it's obviously a joke; that doesn't mean people have to like it. Depending on what happens I might find it funny. Or not.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61768: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:02:51 PM

You're doing that thing again where you keep complaining about people criticizing things you like. I don't know how many times people have to tell you to stop that :V

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#61769: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:03:43 PM

I fail to see why I should like something just because someone else does.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#61770: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:05:01 PM

If someone else made the joke & the context wasn't one that basically says "Fuck Politeness" I might have found it funny.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#61771: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:06:01 PM

I only complain when you guys are WAY overreacting to something. Seriously, it's just a little meta humor, there's no need to complain about it for 2 pages!

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61772: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:09:45 PM

I mean, given the sitution humor like that kind of undercuts the gravity of what is at stake and still makes how they're all acting come off ad nonsensical.

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#61773: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:12:00 PM

You say that as if this franchise didn't start off as a gag manga disguised as an action manga; we know for a fact that Toriyama loves his gags, it's why Goku never kissing Chichi and Goku forgetting the Mafuba tag were in his outline.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61774: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:13:51 PM

Different people were giving out legit criticisms, and that somehow counts as "complaining" now?

I guess we've been "complaining" for the past 1000 or so pages of this topic. Or rather, I guess this entire forum is "complaining" huh.

Look, I don't mind being called out on an "overreaction" if it's LEGITIMATE but nothing here has suggested anybody is overreacting to anything. We saw a piece of media that we didn't like and voiced our concerns and criticisms over it. In what way does that count as "complaining"? From how you describe it, we've been doing nothing but being /a/ and complaining about everything with no actual input.

We get it, you like Super. Any criticism that myself or anyone has shouldn't be bothering you in that case, so why do you feel the need to downplay people giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61775: Jul 27th 2017 at 4:13:55 PM

[up][up] Doesn't make it better or justify it really.

edited 27th Jul '17 4:14:24 PM by slimcoder

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