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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61526: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:42:48 AM

[up][up][up] Not to me it doesn't. Nothing about her appeals to me because she doesn't feel like an actual character but rather just a mishmash of traits and a walking shout out to a popular character. That's it.

edited 23rd Jul '17 10:43:00 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#61527: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:46:39 AM

I mean. You could make that argument about Goku at creation.

Kinda dumb, likes to eat and fight, is basically Sun Wukong.

Just Saiyan'.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61528: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:52:20 AM

Goku has had over three decades to have an established and dynamic personality, Kale is like...three months old. But by all means, keep trying :)

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#61529: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:55:47 AM

I mean, that's sorta my point. Give Kale three decades.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#61530: Jul 23rd 2017 at 10:56:00 AM

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Seeing your point, but would you say Goku has changed that much from that kid Bulma (almost) ran over in the forest all those years ago.

Yeah, some about his life have changed (growing older, getting married and having kids, and grandkids), finding out his an alien, becoming far stronger than he could have imagined when he was a little boy, but in terms of personality, he's still that same naive bumpkin who does as he pleases that he's always been.

Not defending Kale mind you, cause I can see people's issue with her, but still.

edited 23rd Jul '17 10:56:15 AM by HandsomeRob

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#61531: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:04:50 AM

...Also on the subject of Broly not making any fucking sense is the question of how the fuck he knows Kakarot's name.

Like, even presupposing that Saiyans can remember things literally from birth which, okay, not buying that, but ignoring it for now. There is no goddamned way that they are able to not just recognize sounds, but recognize what sound applies to which object. That implies a level and a kind of symbolic and abstract thinking that even adult Saiyans don't always demonstrate, and adult Broly definitely never does.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#61532: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:13:07 AM

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Like, even presupposing that Saiyans can remember things literally from birth which, okay, not buying that, but ignoring it for now.

Wouldn't be the first time. After all, Raditz was shocked that Goku didn't remember the mission he was given as a baby.

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#61533: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:15:44 AM

So Super Saiyan Blue is the worst transformation of all time.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#61534: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:16:40 AM

I mean, in the filler that Toei was as responsible for as they were for Broly, Goku's pod had a prerecorded brainwashing tape and also a fake moon.

And it takes Vegeta and co a year to get to Earth and over a month or two to get to Namek, so space travel isn't instant. So I can buy that the pod could have given the mission in transit.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61535: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:19:25 AM

Why are we criticizing Blue when it's just as useless as every other Super Saiyan form ends up being?

I don't see us criticizing SSJ 1 by the time th Buu saga came around.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#61536: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:20:33 AM

The problem is that there's been no upward movement or attempt to gain greater power outside of Kaiouken blue. I mean, Goku and Vegeta are supposed to have the power of gods, and yet here he is, unable to defeat Yandere Lesbian Broly Wank

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#61537: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:21:40 AM

Super Saiyan 1 and 2 definitely weren't useless when they first appeared. They did their damn jobs, and they did them well.

It's all the forms since that have been a little lacking.

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#61538: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:23:01 AM

Super Saiyan Blue was mocked, in-universe, from panel one, scene one. And it didn't even defeat the bad guy.

edited 23rd Jul '17 11:23:10 AM by SonOfSharknado

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#61539: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:24:06 AM

I'm very interested in seeing Kale and Goku fight in the manga next year.

edited 23rd Jul '17 11:34:20 AM by VeryMelon

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#61540: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:24:08 AM

It did though.

It had help from time travel, but. Still.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#61541: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:29:21 AM

But I thought the constant spamming of new transformations was something detrimental. Didn't we praise Bo G for just sticking to basic Super Saiyan?

This just feels like it's running to a standard problem with Dragon Ball. With every new major transformation, you have to establish it's power before it's inevitably made useless. The problem is that Blue (or God for that matter) has never had it's power established, because hype for it was use to hype up Freeza.

edited 23rd Jul '17 11:31:28 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#61542: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:31:25 AM

I mean, in fairness, it is Nozawa, technically. So. Like, part of me wants Nozawa to just bite the bullet and take some testosterone already. If only because I literally can't stand her voice when I force myself to watch subs. ...I am aware of and acknowledge that it's kinda horrible of me to want that, but. Sweet jesus I can't tolerate the Japanese dub because of it.

While I do not takes things to that extreme, I understand where you are coming from.

But I thought the constant spamming of new transformations was something detrimental. Didn't we praise Bo G for just sticking to basic Super Saiyan?

We did until they unveiled Super Saiyan God.....

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#61543: Jul 23rd 2017 at 11:58:28 AM

We have seen Kale refer to herself as worthless multiple times. She clings to Caulifla cuz she makes her feel valued. She gets all yandere cuz her crippling self hatred makes her think she's losing Caulifla. It has all been right there.

Not that it is super deep but more so than most of you all are acting.

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#61544: Jul 23rd 2017 at 12:03:21 PM

Yeah, it feels like some of you are deliberately ignoring the self-loathing part of her character just to reduce her to a Yandere meme. I'm not saying there's much more than that, but it is there.

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#61545: Jul 23rd 2017 at 12:05:30 PM

I liked everyone, including 18 berating Krilling (owned count +1)

Really? I thought that moment was kind of irritating. Krillin was riding a hot streak with three eliminations in a row (two were assists, but still), and he only got eliminated because he got sucker punched. And she has the gall to say that his training was wasted?

That, and it's pretty hypocritical of her to berate him for that, considering she almost met the same fate at the hands of Shosa. In fact, she would have been the first one out if not for... oh, yeah, Krillin.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#61546: Jul 23rd 2017 at 12:08:24 PM

Before she first transforms she literally calls herself worthless for not being able to do it. This time she asked Caulifla if she was a burden and that set her off. She blindly fixates on one person while transformed because she is berserk, you know what the form is called. She will probably be nothing more than a Broly shout out in the end, but they have established a bit more for her.

I don't even particularly like Kale, but there are been plenty of times scenes were called out as being shallow by the majority and yet now people are picking the most shallow view.

edited 23rd Jul '17 12:11:06 PM by Jedi1113

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#61547: Jul 23rd 2017 at 12:22:56 PM

I think it's because a lot of people just don't care for that kind of character. So they naturally aren't particularly sympathetic towards her.

Like a lot of things, she's something somewhat new to dragon ball (mostly due to female characters not being much but support, and being rather shrewish anyway), but that doesn't mean she's gonna click with people. Honestly, she'd likely be better without all the Broly bullshit (though that'd only be a start).

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#61548: Jul 23rd 2017 at 12:37:12 PM

I think it's because a lot of people just don't care for that kind of character. So they naturally aren't particularly sympathetic towards her.

That's my feeling. The whole Fragile Flower trope is a hard one for me to like, the fact that she also doubles as a homage to Broly of all characters makes it even worse. tongue

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#61549: Jul 23rd 2017 at 12:37:38 PM

Caulifla brushed her off for a couple of seconds, and she lost it. To be fair to Caulifla, she was in the middle of a fight with Goku, and there was no reason for Kale to interfere. She wanted to help for the sake of helping.

She's insecure, and has self-loathing yes, but there's no way that she hasn't felt those feelings of insecurity before....why is she only now turning into a monster?

Also, that's an incredibly petty reason to turn into a monster to begin with, although you could argue that she can't help it. But it's still hilariously petty nonetheless.

I'm going to assume her slimmed down form is when she actually gains some confidence. It's still a shame Jiren didn't eliminate her though.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#61550: Jul 23rd 2017 at 12:40:47 PM

I'd like to point out that she was probably repressing all of this beforehand, but that the first transformation potentially made it harder for her to do that.

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