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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#61451: Jul 22nd 2017 at 8:48:59 PM

But Power Levels aren't worthless.

It's the numbers that are worthless (due to other characters being able to raise and lower their Power Levels).

Power Levels have always done exactly what they were meant to do: establish who is going to win a fight, hands down, and they've done that.

Edit: Murasaki'ed.

edited 22nd Jul '17 8:49:26 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#61452: Jul 22nd 2017 at 8:50:08 PM

Point of note about Kale real quick, she's apparently teaming up with Goku in the next episode so that may imply she gains control of her powers.

This song needs more love.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61453: Jul 22nd 2017 at 8:50:22 PM

No. No that was never the point of DB, that was always fans projecting their desires on the series. Even in the second arc, Roshi says himself:

Chapter: 52, P13.1-4
Kame-sennin: “Ultimately the martial arts come down to two bodies colliding together…In the end, the stronger person wins…It’s simple…

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#61454: Jul 22nd 2017 at 8:58:38 PM

Which is why I am hoping Jiren is one such superior foe.

Someone who is faster, stronger, more perceptive, etc. Someone that transcends Goku, and forces him to ascend to a higher level.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#61455: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:02:00 PM

And as for the way, because Kale is basically a nobody who came out of nowhere with this power up, and is most likely not actually going to make it to the end, being used mainly for Broly callbacks.

She's not a nobody, we've known about her since before the arc even started.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61456: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:03:35 PM

I didn't say she was an unknown, I said she's a nobody. Her power is basically a cheap gimmick that even she didn't know about until like, what, a few days before this tournament.

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:07:09 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61457: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:05:19 PM

[up] Correction:

It was a day before the tournament.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61458: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:19:04 PM

New DBS manga bonus chapter. Gohan talks to Trunks

In DBS side-story, several days after the battle with Zamasu, Trunks+Mai are preparing to permanently live at Bulma's, until Gohan stops by. Gohan says he wants to see Trunks' peaceful future and meet the Bulma there, so Trunks changes plans and decides to go back to the future. (He doesn't admit to Gohan he changed plans, he just acts like this was his idea all along) And that's the reason why Trunks+Mai went back to their future before Zamasu showed up. The end.

Before they decide to leave, Bulma's says Future Mai living there will be like gaining a daughter. Like that will ever happen. Gohan's reason for stoping by Bulma's: he's started training in the gravity room. He wants to be of help when there's trouble. He's noticed that lately nobody even contacts him when there's fighting to be done (like with Zamasu, I guess).

Translation from Herms

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#61459: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:19:22 PM

I loved Goku mentoring Caulifla in the art of the Super Saiyan, as well as her infinite well of innocent enthusiasm for learning about it. She's just so cute and eager! I loved the same thing from her during their focus episodes leading up to the tournament. I was also intrigued by Caulifla calling Goku 'grandpa'. Maybe Saiyans can tell the difference between young and old Saiyans, even if Humans can't?

Also, Kale may not be the best character ever, but she is better than Broly for one simple reason: she has two understandable motivations (romantic jealousy and an insecurity complex) vs Broly's one nonsense motivation (hate this one guy because he cried as a baby).

I agree that Kale walking through Goku's Kamehameha and only taking minor damage is dumb, but Goku's usage of Super Saiyan Blue this entire arc is dumb, so it seems petty to single out this one moment as terrible without mentioning all of the others that are equally as dumb. I've just become desensitized to it by this point and I just ignore it.

Finally, HOORAY, the characters in the story didn't actually reference Broly directly!

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:21:17 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#61460: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:20:45 PM

I don't know why, but I'm having real trouble realizing which female saiya-jin ya'll be referring to when say Kale.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61461: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:27:38 PM

I don't think Kale's motivation is understandable at all. It's just too ridiculous and old hat.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#61462: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:28:28 PM

I agree that Kale walking through Goku's Kamehameha and only taking minor damage is dumb

Nah, that was really cool.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#61463: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:30:52 PM

[up][up]Sometimes simple motivations hit harder and work better than the more complex ones.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#61464: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:31:22 PM

[up][up][up] Senpai didn't notice her. tongue

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:31:44 PM by Lionheart0

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#61465: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:31:58 PM

Is Broccoli's motivation too simple?

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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#61466: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:32:01 PM

[up][up][up] Oh, you think thats bad...

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:32:31 PM by CountofBleck

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#61467: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:36:01 PM

"Waaaah, Caulifla isn't devoting 100% of her attention to me, waahh"

(turns into murderous psychopath)

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:36:11 PM by hardcorefakes

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61468: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:36:26 PM

and sometimes they're rock fucking stupid

like Kale's

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#61469: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:46:08 PM

Yes, turning into a murderous psychopath because your friend isn't paying attention to you for being (rightfully) unhelpful. Such a compelling and interesting motivation.

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:46:28 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#61470: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:46:38 PM

It's a pretty bare-bones and honestly sloppily thrown together set of character traits anyways just for the sake of pandering to those specific audiences.

BUT, in the defense of Kale, I do think if you got rid of the Yandere part of her and just kept the meekiness and her bouncing off the more rowdy Caulifula she wouldn't be that bad of a character.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#61471: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:52:08 PM

and sometimes they're rock fucking stupid

like Kale's

That's a pretty big exaggeration. Jealousy and self-loathing make sense as a rage trigger. And there's no way to make that look like the stupid option when comparing it to baby crying.

edited 22nd Jul '17 9:52:29 PM by Moth13

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61472: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:52:50 PM

At least in the case of Broly he was already crazy.

What's Kale's excuse for going fucking insane?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#61473: Jul 22nd 2017 at 9:56:42 PM

Hey man. Never knock the emotional turmoil that comes from Sempai not noticing you.

One Strip! One Strip!
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#61474: Jul 22nd 2017 at 10:00:04 PM

She clearly has deep rooted self loathing issues.

Anyway when did Cabba become badass? His intro this ep was too smooth for him lol.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#61475: Jul 22nd 2017 at 10:00:09 PM

[up][up][up][up] Just because something is less stupid than something doesn't mean its' still not stupid :V

edited 22nd Jul '17 10:00:19 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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