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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61401: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:22:11 PM

He's holding back by using his most stamina draining form that he said he wouldn't use. It just doesn't make sense, and the level he sandbags at (plus the transformation usage) does not match how he used to act - not in the manga, and not even in other arcs of Super.

It's not fair to expect fans to come up with their own explanations for the inconsistencies when the show either offers weak ones or doesn't offer them at all. If that doesn't bother you, if your own explanations satisfy you: that's fine. But they won't work for everyone.

Actually, you might be wrong on the hair front, seeing as how when Broly charged up to his max at the end of his debut movie, his hair actually changed to the iconic blonde color of the Super Saiyan state. So either he pushed the influence off him right then, or green actually is the default color for the form, and it only turns yellow when Broly is using his maximum power

His appearances in Second Coming and Bio-Broly just show him having outright blonde/golden. His concept artwork also just shows him with golden hair. So no, I don't think green is the 'true' colour of the form, but just a product of the control device - given that it originally gave him purple/blue hair in Super Saiyan (which returned to gold from Second Coming onwards) that makes the most sense.

I mean, this isn't even the same form, so I think they just picked the green for the extra shout out and to be more distinct.

edited 22nd Jul '17 7:23:57 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61402: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:26:00 PM

Except it's not his most stamina draining form, Super Saiyan 3 is. And really, how is it his most stamina draining when he's been practically spamming it since the Future Trunks Saga; seems more likely that he and Vegeta just mastered the form like they did with the original Super Saiyan form, and again, it's only in the manga where Blue has been shown to be worse than 3 in the stamina department. This is the anime, so the same rules aren't going to apply.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#61403: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:28:52 PM

That was a pretty great episode. Liked the Kale rampage, though I kinda wish it ended up knocking more people out. Liked how the other Universe 6 members got some good play too.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61404: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:29:48 PM

I'm using the show's own logic. He outright called it stamina draining a couple of episodes to justify why he wasn't using it. And now he's using it when he doesn't need to?

Didn't count 3 because he doesn't use it seriously any more. Even if I did, we don't know that it's more draining than Blue - he's never opted not to use 3 for its drain before, so his behaviour can't be used to compare.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#61405: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:30:20 PM

[up][up][up] Didn't Whis say like 2 episodes ago that Goku and Vegeta can't spam the transformation because it would drain too much of their stamina?

Of course, this was after Goku had already used SSB rather than a normal Super Saiyan transformation to get released from that bearhug, so that's kind of another point in the "inconsistency" side.

edited 22nd Jul '17 7:31:52 PM by Lionheart0

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#61406: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:30:28 PM

[up][up][up][up] Goku literally says, about 2 episodes before, that he's trying to refrain from using Blue to save his stamina. He's used it three times since he said that :

edited 22nd Jul '17 7:31:00 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61407: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:32:27 PM

Yeah, and he's still pretty much fine right now; so either he's wrong about this, he's full of shit, or it's another case of Super's inconsistency.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61408: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:33:19 PM

[up] I pick D.

All of the above. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#61409: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:33:38 PM

Apparently the Toei writers or Toriyama or whoever doesn't understand that constantly spamming the new "cool" thing just makes it seem less cool, faster.

Of course, if Goku is getting a new transformation during all of this that might be intentional. But even with that, that problem just means he'll start using that for ever little thing too.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#61410: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:34:49 PM

Yeah but it's fine because Blue was never cool.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61411: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:36:04 PM

I mean, he didn't use 3 for every little thing; he only tried to use it against people he knew he couldn't match without it (Buu), against someone who was asking him to go all-out and who he was cocky against (Beerus), and to show someone that 2 wasn't the pinnacle of Saiyan power anymore (Future Trunks).

[up] I thought Blue was cool...that aura especially.

edited 22nd Jul '17 7:36:47 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#61412: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:36:10 PM

[up][up] Harsh.[lol]

I mean, I don't disagree on its lack of coolness

edited 22nd Jul '17 7:36:18 PM by Saiga

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#61413: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:36:26 PM

Though I have to ask, what exactly is the perk of "God Ki" at this point? 17, Unlocked Potential Gohan, Kale, Toppo, Golden Freeza were all able to fight roughly on par (in Freeza's case he was initially stronger) with Super Saiyan Blue.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#61414: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:36:26 PM

Welp, that fight with Caulifa was fun.

Kale ruins everything though, in more ways than one.tongue

And Jiren is still a boss. Next up, The Pride Troopers get serious.

One Strip! One Strip!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61415: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:37:55 PM

God Ki is only special because of the Hakai power.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#61416: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:37:57 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] I thought it was cool...

edited 22nd Jul '17 7:38:16 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61417: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:38:58 PM

[up][up] And all the shit the Angels are capable of doing.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#61418: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:39:45 PM

Blue could have been cool if it had more to it than just a recolored Super Saiyan. Like, even slightly different hair would have been more interesting.

This song needs more love.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#61419: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:40:19 PM

Though I have to ask, what exactly is the perk of "God Ki" at this point? 17, Unlocked Potential Gohan, Kale, Toppo, Golden Freeza were all able to fight roughly on par (in Freeza's case he was initially stronger) with Super Saiyan Blue.

Don't forget Hit.

Anyway the perk of God Ki is unsensable energy I suppose. That can be pretty useful.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#61420: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:40:27 PM

Let it be known that in the grand finale of Dragon Ball Goku finished things off by not going SS 3.

He really didn't spam SS 3 that much even if that transformation was only in one arc.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#61421: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:40:40 PM

If nothing else, I like the visual effects of Blue. It's kind of underwhelming as a transformation tho.

SASUGA TORIYAMA/TOEI/TOYOTARO.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61422: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:42:39 PM

The triple T.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#61423: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:43:27 PM

Also, if should noted that I'm not expecting much from this new transformation either. Yes, my expectations are low.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#61424: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:43:44 PM

T3: Rise of the inconsistent story arcs!

One Strip! One Strip!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#61425: Jul 22nd 2017 at 7:44:16 PM

Theories on names though?

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