I dunno, the Zamasu army freaking out was hilarious, and some of the panels are just begging to be turned into reaction images
, but the rest of the chapter was kinda mediocre. Zamasu army lacks the "oh shit" factor of of Zamasuverse and the whole thing lacks the emotional punch it had in the anime. Even Trunks is like "eh, could be worse" after his universe got fucking nuked into oblivion and the whole thing just fizzles out.
This really is the main problem of the manga - it lacks the punch. Everything feels kind of just flat for the lack of a better word.
That's one of the problems with Super in general, regardless of the medium.
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Phew. Escalation truly is one of the biggest issues in Shonen. Though, considering that Toriyama wanted Goku to continue to strive to be stronger, and for stronger enemies to appear for him to fight, Dragonball might have been invoking Serial Escalation.
edited 21st Jul '17 4:04:29 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!That is true. I admit I believe that there are technically no bad ideas, just really bad execution.
So then you think the escalation in Dragonball is ok then? That it's not a real issue?
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Agreed. I thought the video explained their point well enough, and I like Gigguk's content, but I can't agree with calling escalation as a concept a problem. Like most everything else it has to be judged on a case by case basis. You can't compare Naruto and Bleach's escalation because those had different issues exclusive to their own series, for example. On that same token, you cannot point at One Piece or Hunter x Hunter and say they handled the issue better because those series have different ideas in mind for their stories than something like Dragon Ball does.
edited 21st Jul '17 4:31:04 PM by VeryMelon
Oh i think there totally are bad ideas
And DB's escalation is one thing I really like about it. It can't continue on forever, but I don't think anything should be aiming for that. And that's where I think the actual shonen problem resides: the industry encouraging long runners without concrete planning.
Yeah, I think the point about different stories is very important.
On Bleach, I don't think it really had that much escalation? Like "Captain level" is still important in the final arc, even if there existed several steps above that.
edited 21st Jul '17 4:32:39 PM by Saiga
Bleach is actually a very good example of what I meant about each series having their own escalation issues. The more powerful characters in the series eventually had abilities that made them functionally invincible by design, while excluding traditional power level climb like in Dragon Ball. You could be stronger in a normal sense, but if have no answer to a certain power someone had then you lose.
That's not true, there is reiatsu. Kubo isn't always consistent about it and it's not as straightforward as "strong people no sell all weaker abilities" but it's there.
And since Reiatsu is the one thing everyone can train, I think it works for the balance. The other way to balance abilities is to give all of them inherent weaknesses, which Kubo doesn't do (and doesn't always work)
edited 21st Jul '17 4:41:17 PM by Saiga
The problem with Dragon Ball Super's manga is that it fails to tell an emotionally compelling narrative. Toyotaro seems only interested in following Toriyama's script to the letter and hoping that fancy artwork can make up for it. Toei, on the other hand, seems to actually be putting effort into how the arc will resonate with the audience emotionally, even if the artwork is occasionally worse.
Both versions introduce plot inconsistencies left and right, so it really comes down to whichever you prefer: a brief and bare-bones story that looks nice but doesn't excite, or a more stretched out and detailed story that occasionally looks goofy but actually tries to be emotionally compelling. I'll take the latter over the former any day.
Meh. I say they both suck.
But I wanna see what happens, so I'll stick with both.
I do find the differences between the two mediums interesting.
One Strip! One Strip!I felt like the main point the video wasn't saying escalation in itself isn't inherently bad, because he praised other series for doing it. Rather, the escalation of certain series removes the down to earth and emotional roots of the characters.
Dragon Ball didn't suffer as much as Naruto or Bleach did in that regard, but you can see a bit of it when he goes over "The Piccolo effect".
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Naruto has a lot of problems but I honestly don't think escalation is one of them. How Kishimoto went about the escalation in certain cases but not the escalation itself.
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That explains his demeanor as Zeno never had any parental figures to discipline him and Daishikan more or less shelters him from the outside world. He is like Anthony Freemond(?) in that regard.
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