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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60976: Jul 15th 2017 at 3:44:32 AM

...I mean, a reason for Pan to get Super Saiyan as a baby would be to de-canonize GT.

It's not even like it'd mess up the end of Z any. It's not like she'd need to transform at a tournament where she'd be fighting a bunch of humans.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60977: Jul 15th 2017 at 7:46:00 AM

a reason for Pan to get Super Saiyan as a baby would be to de-canonize GT.

Everything you just said has made me violently angry. -kicks nightstand-

Now I hope she never does and people can still be upset about it for years to come without even the ground of sexism to stand on. I can't believe we're still at a stage in Super where anyone wants, even jokingly, for this show to "de-canonize GT." We have literally declared Goku and Vegeta as gods, paid the smallest of lip service to Uub, had Bulma undergo a divine intervention equivalent of a C-section, brought Freeza back from the dead not once but twice, made Broly psuedo canon, had Trunks's timeline wiped out, and had universes worth of characters revealed to exist during the decade or so between the final fight with Kid Buu and the end of Z.

Like, can't these properties just co-exist. When Super's good people say it de-canonizes GT because "Toriyama's 20% more involved, that makes it canonical".

I'm almost certain when Vegeta unlocks "Hyper Vegeta Blue Red Orange (Mastered)" and the form sports a goatee we'll be saying, "Super is just as bad as GT, disregard it!"

At least Xenoverse is a good sport about it and just declares GT "another universe." The most disrespect it gets is Time Patrol Trunks feeling awkward about how lame his other self is - not that Time Patrol Trunks has anything to brag about.

edited 15th Jul '17 7:51:44 AM by Soble

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felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Teacher
#60978: Jul 15th 2017 at 7:52:26 AM

Toyotaro did that AF thing?!?!? How come? I'd have expected AF Fanboy to declare it canonical by now somehow

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60979: Jul 15th 2017 at 9:14:53 AM

Okay, but what if I really want to punch Dragon Ball GT in the face?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60980: Jul 15th 2017 at 9:18:01 AM
ArmedVolt Since: Jul, 2017
#60981: Jul 15th 2017 at 1:45:28 PM

[up][up][up]He drew AF as a fan. His work was drawn well enough that he was given various Dragonball Heroes stories to manga-fy. That, in turn, made the powers that be trust him enough to work with Super. He has no power to canonize things or de-canonize things, even though he's the only Dragonball artist that Toriyama has deemed a successor.

The best he can do is sneak in references to other material, like Mosco looking like GT's "god of destruction," Luud.

Addendum: "canon" is a nebulous concept in dragonball fandom. Just enjoy the parts of the franchise you enjoy, since a strict canon is hard to define (yes, even if you say something like "the original manga only").

edited 15th Jul '17 1:52:14 PM by ArmedVolt

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#60982: Jul 15th 2017 at 1:53:26 PM

He is now designing canon characters, and Toriyama is grooming him into a heir while giving him more and more power. And it is fine.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#60983: Jul 15th 2017 at 1:55:02 PM

~felipelight: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard Toyotaro found the fan lore surrounding a potential sequel to GT (Dragon Ball April Fools, in this case) interesting enough to make his own fan comic, creating Manga Zam—Xicor as a result.

It has a trope page, in case you were wondering.

[nja][up]x2, [up]x1.

edited 15th Jul '17 1:56:12 PM by XMenMutant22

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60984: Jul 15th 2017 at 2:19:06 PM

He is now designing canon characters, and Toriyama is grooming him into a heir while giving him more and more power. And it is fine.

I seem to remember Toriyama redrawing Zamasu for him.

Grooming him into an heir would imply that Toyotaro is continuing the franchise well beyond Super and is basically being handed the reins. Toyotaro has contributed exactly 2 things - the AF manga and the Super manga - meaning a great deal of what is actually continuing and expanding this franchise - the anime, Heroes, Dragonball Fighter Z, Xenoverse, the films, the Jaco special, the other fan mangas - has had nothing to do with him. He's only filling in the blanks from notes/scripts Toriyama supplies, yes? An heir would be actively controlling the series' direction.

I think Toyotaro is being given too much credit here. He's just a guy who can draw who got lucky enough to work with Toriyama. He's not Vice President of the Dragonball franchise.

And no I'm not speaking out of envy, shut up.

edited 15th Jul '17 2:22:30 PM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60986: Jul 15th 2017 at 2:34:22 PM

Toriyama has literally said that he's his successor.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60987: Jul 15th 2017 at 2:48:06 PM

Well then he's Vice President of the Dragonball franchise, big whoop, and I sincerely hopes he wants to fight about it. Slaying the previous Vice President makes me Vice President by default, right?

I would like to restate that I am not envious in the slightest.

Successor or not, he's writing/drawing the manga. That's it. It's a lot of work, but it's one cog in what is currently a much larger machine. We're still operating on "Toriyama gives Toyotaro some notes to build Super on and gives Toei some notes to build Super on, and they both just go in two different directions and Toriyama mostly seems perfectly chill with both directions," are we not?

edited 15th Jul '17 2:53:13 PM by Soble

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60988: Jul 15th 2017 at 3:02:51 PM

[up][up] Wow dude's really made it big then.

I wonder how much happiness he felt when he said "Dragon Ball is my life"? Prolly as happy as Santa Claus on crack at Disneyland getting laid. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60989: Jul 15th 2017 at 3:28:40 PM

AF means after future, it always has from the original pic. The april fools thing came later.

edited 15th Jul '17 3:28:53 PM by Jedi1113

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60990: Jul 15th 2017 at 3:59:53 PM

Technically the original pic wasn't a what-if Super Saiyan 5 Goku, it was the Super Saiyan 4 form of a person's OC. Everyone just thought Goku and went "new form".

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60991: Jul 15th 2017 at 4:04:12 PM

That explains why it looks nothing like Goku.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60992: Jul 15th 2017 at 4:28:26 PM

I just thought of this but would it be funny if 17's wife is revealed to be Krillen's ex-girlfriend Maron?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60993: Jul 15th 2017 at 5:21:09 PM

...

I admit, I'd get a laugh out of it.

Maron is an anime only character though, so it's doubtful Toriyama will ever use her.

One Strip! One Strip!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#60994: Jul 15th 2017 at 5:26:39 PM

Right so as it turns out Krillin didn't end up killing anyone after all. Frost knocked him out of bounds.

This song needs more love.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#60995: Jul 15th 2017 at 5:38:54 PM

[up] I'm guessing Disqualified was a mistranslation. Or maybe, overly literal? But yeah, Krillin got a little too high on himself and dropped his guard to start celebrating after eliminating someone and Frost snuck up on him and kicked him off the stage.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60996: Jul 15th 2017 at 5:42:51 PM

Is it already time for Hit to lose to Jiren in order to make him look tough?

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#60997: Jul 15th 2017 at 5:43:02 PM

EVERYONE WILL DIE BY SNU SNU! THE DEFENDER OF JUSTICE VS THE UNIVERSE BEST ASASSIN! GOKU FIGHTS HIS FEMALE COUNTERPART!

IM HYPED, IM HYPED AS FUCK!

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60998: Jul 15th 2017 at 5:46:25 PM

Sorry Krillen, having a hot wife isn't gonna excuse this crap. Add a point to the Krillen Owned Count. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#60999: Jul 15th 2017 at 7:11:05 PM

Actually, that wasn't a bad showing for Krillen. Knocked out two fighters before getting blindsided by someone about a million times more powerful than he is. And he used some strategy rather than just "hit them harder" (looking at you Goku).

And for next time: SAIYAN HYPE!!!evil grin

edited 15th Jul '17 7:12:02 PM by DarkHunter

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61000: Jul 15th 2017 at 7:24:26 PM

I like the friendship between Magetta and Botamo


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