Bra is also not a fighter at all, unless you count the Multiverse version of her, and even then that version has problems related to her as well.
edited 14th Jul '17 7:27:59 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!...For some reason I want Zel to make a blog called "#JustToeiThings"
...Be a great title for a Super/Z Liveblog, actually. Going through all the filler and the movies and stuff.
...I normally wouldn't think "trying too hard" was especially noteworthy when it came to Broly, but
edited 14th Jul '17 7:32:07 PM by unnoun
@unnoun: I hate myself to be sure but I don't hate myself enough to do that. Also, the Heroes thing I can fully understand since there is no point to Heroes beyond pandering and being completely insane.
edited 14th Jul '17 8:09:28 PM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Man, I do find the prospect and irony funny...
Like, how all of the gods seem to ignore Zeno's universal destruction and pin all the blame on Goku, it seems like almost everyone tries avoiding Toriyama's concepts and blames everything wrong with Super on either Toei or Toyble.
Sure, one's an incompetent anime corporation and the other is a amateur fanboy turned mangaka, but Toriyama ain't a perfect guy. Infact, Dragon Ball as a whole ain't a perfect manga. Even so, with all the goddamn flaws this franchise has, I can still look up to this guy and his stories.
He just needs to stop being fucking lazy and help Toei and Toyble out on the story more, an outline is not gonna cut in this day and age, and it's why most of Super's flaws are pouring through like a day-old cantaloupe. If he actually tried collaborating with them on a more personal level, DBS's story would be so much more coherent. We all know this, but I feel like I'm the only one saying this.
Aside from that, I actually do enjoy watching and reading DBS, but sometimes I do feel a little winded when some weird inconsistencies happen. I'm just not going to ignore Toriyama's input like almost everyone else is.
I find it especially strange the that justice loving Pride Troopers don't have any ill-will towards Omni-king.
Like, they can acknowledge that can't do anything about that (though I wonder how long that'll last) but no one has directed any criticism or anger at the Omni-kings or Grand Priest for setting these stakes up so ridiculously high, even in private.
edited 14th Jul '17 8:37:01 PM by LSBK
We comment on it when we can. The thing is that the only way we can guess at what was Toriyama and what was someone else is by comparing the manga and anime. Right now, we can't do that so all we can do is guess and most of this shit is going to be all on Toei anyway since most of it is down to them or Toyotaro as evidenced by the previous sagas.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!I think the most logical thing to do is blame the person or persons who's name starts with T.O.
It's a fool proof plan. No matter what, you're hitting the right mark.
One Strip! One Strip!Except Goku never kissing Chichi and messing up the Mafuba were in both of them, which means that Toriyama came up with those himself. We also know that Rosé was also made by Toriyama, along with that GodTube video thing and Vegito showing back up again, as well as Trunks cutting Fused Zamasu in half only to make the situation worse.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
x4 I imagine the Omni-Kings (via a suggestion from the Grand Priest) would be petty enough to issue an erasure. Though, at least Bergamo offered a wagered bet during his preliminary fight with Goku to call off the Tournament if he managed to defeat Goku at full strength.
edited 14th Jul '17 8:34:32 PM by XMenMutant22
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I stand by my statement. Blame T.O. It's impossible to miss the mark.
Once again, I save the day with my genius.
One Strip! One Strip!
(2)
See that's the version that I remember reading - Xicor gets trapped for awhile and they bring Broly back in order to summon Goku-Shenron with the power of five Super Saiyans - Vegeta, Bra, Pan, Goten, Trunks - er, six Super Saiyans - and Broly.
And see that feels like such an obvious connection to Super Saiyan God that I'd dare say Toriyama took the idea for himself. Toriyama seems like a real chill dude, you could throw some of the most absurd fanon at him and he might actually take you seriously (or hire you on to draw for him if you've got the skills). Some days I really wish I was Japanese (and could draw).
See that part I liked.
Da f'ck?
Is that what was going on? The version I read ended in some weird special chapter where Xicor broke out and Roshi was recapping the series and passed away at the end. It was a weird cliffhanger.
I feel like that could describe a lot of things in this series. I'm fine with Caulifa being a Super Saiyan savant personally. She's probably going to get wrecked towards the final stages of the tournament. And honestly, since she's Goku's counterpart it's not all that surprising she picks up on it that quickly.
I stopped looking for "meaning" in each transformation when the Super Saiyan Blue transformation became a glorified pincushion/a walking stick for Goku and Vegeta.
Currently my only disappointments are the first two arcs, Monaka not really being the strongest guy Beerus had ever faced, Buu and Cell not being in the tournament, and that 17 and 18 were able to one-up Super Saiyan Blue. Everything else has been fanservice galore.
edited 14th Jul '17 9:00:26 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!No see, the cliffhanger was Syn basically breaking the fourth wall and saying that the author would not be able to continue the doujinshi for a good long while, shocking Goku and Pikkon with the information. Don't remember the full thing, but it does ultimately lead to an advertisement to the Dragon Ball Heroes manga that Toyble was hired to work on, before he eventually got hired to do the Dragon Ball Super manga.
edited 14th Jul '17 8:53:35 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
(2) Now why did you say that. I'm going to go cry in a bucket now.
I don't know who wouldn't. I'd lose my mind. I mean, who knows what the starting wage is but I'd be working with the guy who made the series that pretty much was my childhood. That'd be a dream job.
Unless Toriyama turned out to be the worst, most unfair supervisor/consultant in the business and his demand for immaculate detail and artistry drove me up the wall trying to meet his standards.
edited 14th Jul '17 9:07:05 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Because giving them scraps gave us Super.
Anyway, here's another thing from our favourite Abridger:
...what did happen to Popo in the future? I never thought of that. And I had no idea the dude who wrote that special never knew about the room either.
One Strip! One Strip!Wait. At 7:58.
When did Goku first teach Gohan about going Super Saiyan?
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

If I had a dollar for every time someone said that only for them to turn out to not be Toei things...
edited 14th Jul '17 7:23:37 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.