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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#60951: Jul 14th 2017 at 7:22:25 PM

Those definitely seem like Toei things.

If I had a dollar for every time someone said that only for them to turn out to not be Toei things...

edited 14th Jul '17 7:23:37 PM by LordVatek

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#60952: Jul 14th 2017 at 7:23:10 PM

That's not true. Heroes hasn't given Super Saiyan to Gine or Bra, either.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60953: Jul 14th 2017 at 7:24:33 PM

Huh Broly has that Super Saiyan 5 transformation too?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60954: Jul 14th 2017 at 7:24:34 PM

Bra is also not a fighter at all, unless you count the Multiverse version of her, and even then that version has problems related to her as well.

[up] Two versions were made, one that looked like the normal form, and one that was colored to make him look like a fucking yeti.

edited 14th Jul '17 7:27:59 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60955: Jul 14th 2017 at 7:27:02 PM

...For some reason I want Zel to make a blog called "#JustToeiThings"

...Be a great title for a Super/Z Liveblog, actually. Going through all the filler and the movies and stuff.

[up]

The letters are scattered due to the massive depth of Broly’s might.

...I normally wouldn't think "trying too hard" was especially noteworthy when it came to Broly, but

edited 14th Jul '17 7:32:07 PM by unnoun

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#60956: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:08:42 PM

@unnoun: I hate myself to be sure but I don't hate myself enough to do that. Also, the Heroes thing I can fully understand since there is no point to Heroes beyond pandering and being completely insane.

edited 14th Jul '17 8:09:28 PM by Zelenal

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#60957: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:23:46 PM

Man, I do find the prospect and irony funny...

Like, how all of the gods seem to ignore Zeno's universal destruction and pin all the blame on Goku, it seems like almost everyone tries avoiding Toriyama's concepts and blames everything wrong with Super on either Toei or Toyble.

Sure, one's an incompetent anime corporation and the other is a amateur fanboy turned mangaka, but Toriyama ain't a perfect guy. Infact, Dragon Ball as a whole ain't a perfect manga. Even so, with all the goddamn flaws this franchise has, I can still look up to this guy and his stories.

He just needs to stop being fucking lazy and help Toei and Toyble out on the story more, an outline is not gonna cut in this day and age, and it's why most of Super's flaws are pouring through like a day-old cantaloupe. If he actually tried collaborating with them on a more personal level, DBS's story would be so much more coherent. We all know this, but I feel like I'm the only one saying this.

Aside from that, I actually do enjoy watching and reading DBS, but sometimes I do feel a little winded when some weird inconsistencies happen. I'm just not going to ignore Toriyama's input like almost everyone else is.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60958: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:27:49 PM

I find it especially strange the that justice loving Pride Troopers don't have any ill-will towards Omni-king.

Like, they can acknowledge that can't do anything about that (though I wonder how long that'll last) but no one has directed any criticism or anger at the Omni-kings or Grand Priest for setting these stakes up so ridiculously high, even in private.

edited 14th Jul '17 8:37:01 PM by LSBK

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60959: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:30:27 PM

We comment on it when we can. The thing is that the only way we can guess at what was Toriyama and what was someone else is by comparing the manga and anime. Right now, we can't do that so all we can do is guess and most of this shit is going to be all on Toei anyway since most of it is down to them or Toyotaro as evidenced by the previous sagas.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60960: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:32:08 PM

I think the most logical thing to do is blame the person or persons who's name starts with T.O.

It's a fool proof plan. No matter what, you're hitting the right mark.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60961: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:33:52 PM

Except Goku never kissing Chichi and messing up the Mafuba were in both of them, which means that Toriyama came up with those himself. We also know that Rosé was also made by Toriyama, along with that GodTube video thing and Vegito showing back up again, as well as Trunks cutting Fused Zamasu in half only to make the situation worse.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#60962: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:33:54 PM

[up]x4 I imagine the Omni-Kings (via a suggestion from the Grand Priest) would be petty enough to issue an erasure. Though, at least Bergamo offered a wagered bet during his preliminary fight with Goku to call off the Tournament if he managed to defeat Goku at full strength.

edited 14th Jul '17 8:34:32 PM by XMenMutant22

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60963: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:36:02 PM

[up][up]

I stand by my statement. Blame T.O. It's impossible to miss the mark.

Once again, I save the day with my genius.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60964: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:38:35 PM

I wonder if we will ever go more than a few pages without someone bitching about Toei.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#60965: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:40:04 PM

@Gojira: "Bra is also not a fighter"

Ever play Dragon Ball Fusions?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60966: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:49:18 PM

[up] (2)

mean, it seemed to mostly be to help with the Xicor problem, since unlike the idea that was originally on the wikia page for AF where Xicor immediately breaks out of the Z Sword and kills Trunks, he's actually stuck in there for a while before he manages to break free, so everyone takes this time to try to both train up to some level that could manage to fight against him (which leads to Vegeta learning how to instantly swap between every single transformation he possesses) and to try and find some way to bring Goku back to get his help. Broly apparently gets brought back to help with the situation.

See that's the version that I remember reading - Xicor gets trapped for awhile and they bring Broly back in order to summon Goku-Shenron with the power of five Super Saiyans - Vegeta, Bra, Pan, Goten, Trunks - er, six Super Saiyans - and Broly.

And see that feels like such an obvious connection to Super Saiyan God that I'd dare say Toriyama took the idea for himself. Toriyama seems like a real chill dude, you could throw some of the most absurd fanon at him and he might actually take you seriously (or hire you on to draw for him if you've got the skills). Some days I really wish I was Japanese (and could draw).

We also had both Pan and Bra being able to become Super Saiyans, and Goku apparently being Shenron himself now, as in order for Goku to be brought back, he needs to have the Shadow Dragons (who are their own characters now and are on friendly terms with Goku)

See that part I liked.

"fuse" together into Omega Shenron, have him fuse together with Goku to reform Shenron himself, and then have Shenron be summoned into the mortal realm like usual

Da f'ck?

since Goku is currently in the Dragon Realms with Pikkon and the Shadow Dragons as sparring partners. I think we also saw an Omega Shenron-version of Porunga at some point as well.

Is that what was going on? The version I read ended in some weird special chapter where Xicor broke out and Roshi was recapping the series and passed away at the end. It was a weird cliffhanger.

What bothers me about it is that there's no meaning to it. Like a lot of things in Super, it's just pointless pandering. There's no rhyme or reason to any of it. It exists simply to say that it exists

I feel like that could describe a lot of things in this series. I'm fine with Caulifa being a Super Saiyan savant personally. She's probably going to get wrecked towards the final stages of the tournament. And honestly, since she's Goku's counterpart it's not all that surprising she picks up on it that quickly.

I stopped looking for "meaning" in each transformation when the Super Saiyan Blue transformation became a glorified pincushion/a walking stick for Goku and Vegeta.

the quality of Super

Currently my only disappointments are the first two arcs, Monaka not really being the strongest guy Beerus had ever faced, Buu and Cell not being in the tournament, and that 17 and 18 were able to one-up Super Saiyan Blue. Everything else has been fanservice galore.

edited 14th Jul '17 9:00:26 PM by Soble

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60967: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:53:10 PM

No see, the cliffhanger was Syn basically breaking the fourth wall and saying that the author would not be able to continue the doujinshi for a good long while, shocking Goku and Pikkon with the information. Don't remember the full thing, but it does ultimately lead to an advertisement to the Dragon Ball Heroes manga that Toyble was hired to work on, before he eventually got hired to do the Dragon Ball Super manga.

edited 14th Jul '17 8:53:35 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60968: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:58:52 PM

Ah, well I completely forgot, or got a good deal of it mixed up. I remember Roshi passing away. I was curious about whether or not it would ever be finished. Guess that's a pipe dream now.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60969: Jul 14th 2017 at 9:00:18 PM

I mean, there's a better chance of it getting continued than there is for Dead Fantasy at least.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60970: Jul 14th 2017 at 9:01:28 PM

Ya know Toble prolly felt really ecstatic when he got signed on to make a legitimate DB manga & work directly with the creator.

Now that's a fanboy's dream come true my brotha's.

edited 14th Jul '17 9:01:38 PM by slimcoder

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60971: Jul 14th 2017 at 9:03:01 PM

[up] (2) Now why did you say that. I'm going to go cry in a bucket now.

Ya know Toble prolly felt really ecstatic when he got signed on to make a legitimate DB manga & work directly with the creator.

I don't know who wouldn't. I'd lose my mind. I mean, who knows what the starting wage is but I'd be working with the guy who made the series that pretty much was my childhood. That'd be a dream job.

Unless Toriyama turned out to be the worst, most unfair supervisor/consultant in the business and his demand for immaculate detail and artistry drove me up the wall trying to meet his standards.

edited 14th Jul '17 9:07:05 PM by Soble

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60972: Jul 14th 2017 at 9:29:41 PM

Why should Toriyama do any more work on the series, he already had one run. It's better to give them scraps and let Toei and Toyo handle the rest.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60973: Jul 14th 2017 at 9:34:50 PM

[up]

Because giving them scraps gave us Super.

Anyway, here's another thing from our favourite Abridger:

...what did happen to Popo in the future? I never thought of that. And I had no idea the dude who wrote that special never knew about the room either.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60974: Jul 14th 2017 at 9:59:10 PM

Wait. At 7:58.

When did Goku first teach Gohan about going Super Saiyan?

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60975: Jul 14th 2017 at 10:30:39 PM

In the main universe, I think it was when they went into the Time Chamber.

Future Gohan wasn't exactly lacking in motivation to become Super Saiyan, though.


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