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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60901: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:01:07 PM

I mean, she's pretty much getting every major transformation through the series just because. Considering that the protagonists had to work their assess off to get those transformations, even her own fellow Universe 6 Saiyan, it's pretty eye roll worthy. Trunks and Goten at least had the excuse of training with each other from a young age to justify their early transformations, and they were only limited to the first level and 3 while fused.

I'm willing to see how this plays out, but I'm not really liking the information I'm getting at the moment.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#60902: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:06:26 PM

I wonder if those two will exist at all in the manga. Something tells me they won't.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60903: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:21:35 PM

Considering that the protagonists had to work their assess off to get those transformations, even her own fellow Universe 6 Saiyan

We don't know how Goku and Vegeta got Super Saiyan 2, and Goku does Ultra Super Saiyan in the time chamber at the same time Cell does outside it and then they both point out it's worthless.

Like, Cell even points out how "Ultra Super Saiyan" is so simple and easy to do it's just stupid. Just pump up your muscles.

That's literally all it is. Anyone can do it. Frieza did it. Roshi does it. It's not special. Not even slightly.

Like. Don't get me wrong. I like it. And I like having a female character with it, because not enough media draws women muscley in general. I think Caulifla and Kale are too. Skinny. Waifish. Wimpy-looking. In their base forms. The fact that the transformations buff them up a bit is appreciated.

edited 14th Jul '17 6:29:49 PM by unnoun

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60904: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:31:14 PM

That's also not the point I was making :V I simply said she didn't train for it like the other characters. Whether it's practical or not is another topic entirely.

[up][up] Why wouldn't they be? they're apart of the main lineup for Universe 6.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60905: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:35:15 PM

I mean, I can accept criticisms of how the characters have been handled, even if I side-eye some examples given, but make no mistake: If you think it would be better if Caulifla and Kale just weren't characters period, and the "female Super-Saiyan" gap in the universe remained unfilled forever? We cannot be friends. Our ideologies will forever remain completely incompatible, and this serves as my declaration of war.

So, y'know. Advance warning.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60906: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:35:15 PM

Because everything about them screams "Toei bullshit."

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#60907: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:36:37 PM

They're also kind of important characters for the arc, considering how Kale was in literally the very first trailer for this arc. We were talking about the female Broly character before we even met the Trio De Dangers.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60908: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:36:39 PM

Caulifla and Kale being super skinny seems to be less about them specifically and more because the Super anime hates drawing people with muscle mass for some weird reason.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#60909: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:36:51 PM

I mean they have to be capable opponents.

I say their a victim of circumstance & if they weren't introduced in such a time-sensitive situation their power-ups could have been handled better.

[up] Yeah seriously, what the fuck happened to the characters being jacked up?

[down] Exactly, its rushed cause they literally have less than 2 day Goddamn days to train.

edited 14th Jul '17 6:38:25 PM by slimcoder

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60910: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:37:46 PM

I mean, in a weird way the way that they show the training on screen hasn't helped because it feels rushed as shit. Just checking through boxes.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60911: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:40:04 PM

I mean, it doesn't help that the furthest either one can go is 2 and this new Berserker thing, and those two forms are probably equal to each other; Gohan has his Mystic state, Trunks has his Super Saiyan Rage form, and Goku and Vegeta have Super Saiyan Blue, all of which are God level at their full potential. All the Universe 6 Saiyans are so last season it hurts.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60912: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:43:05 PM

I mean. Roshi's fighting, so I'm not sure to what extent that matters.

I like Roshi as a martial artist. Roshi training characters again has a certain appeal to me. Just handwave that he has some extra heavy turtle shells that nobody's worn before that he had custom made like the rest.

But Roshi as an active combatant is. Like, nevermind power levels, am I really the only one who remembers how half his thing was passing things on to the new generation and retiring?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#60913: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:43:52 PM

The whole "Super Saiyan forms used to be special" train left the minute Trunks showed up. It's been obligatory for every Saiyan who appears to get it since then and the power escalation has given the same courtesy to SSJ2 (and 3 in the games). It just seems frivolous to complain about in this day and age.

edited 14th Jul '17 6:44:22 PM by LordVatek

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#60914: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:45:29 PM

~BlackYakuzu94: Despite not feeling too strongly about that point myself, I can at least understand where you (and other like-minded folks) are coming from. A common concern/misinformed opinion that bothers me about Episode 100 is how Caulifla will, supposedly, get SSJB during her training with Goku, despite every description blatantly "implying" that Kale will screw up things up and ruin the opportunity due to her jealous problem. At most, she'll just get the SSJ Grade form in the preview. Considering how many entries are in the Ass Pull section of Super's YMMV page, I highly doubt that now, specifically, will cause an uproar over a non-existent issue.

~Zelenal: Highly unlikely. At the most, the manga would probably retool their introduction to Cabba, alter the Kale fight (ex: having Caulifla actively team-up with Cabba to restrain Kale rather than Cabba getting curbstomped and Caulifla boosting her way to SSJ2 to deflect an Eraser Cannon blast), and flesh them out more (monthly manga vs weekly show). The manga is suppose to advertise the anime, so I highly doubt it would omit two canon female Super Saiyans just because the plot (and marketing) had to rush them.

~LSBK: Their workaround seems to be "let's just save it for the transformations"! Though, even then, YMMV.

~slimcoder: Agreed.

edited 14th Jul '17 6:51:11 PM by XMenMutant22

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#60915: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:49:08 PM

Peoople complain about Caulifla and Kale learning Super Saiyan within a few hours of knowing of its existence when Cabba learned Super Saiyan in even less time.

Like, just accept that U6 Saiyans adapt to Super Saiyan quickly, and that Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale are all Saiyan prodigies in their own rights.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60916: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:51:12 PM

Except in Cabba's case he had to get it through the classic rage requirement due to Vegeta, in Caulifla's case she just had to focus on a tingly feeling in her back to get it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60917: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:52:11 PM

Yeah at least Cabba unlocked it through normal means.

Though Trunks & Goten did unlock their forms without the rage after all.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60918: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:52:33 PM

[up][up]Why is it that you want us to accept Super's bullshit the same way that you do? You do this a lot whenever somebody criticizes it.

edited 14th Jul '17 6:52:46 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60919: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:53:06 PM

I get pretty mad about tingly feelings in my back, I dunno about you.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60920: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:53:13 PM

Which is hilarious, because Sarada unlocked her Sharingan without the rage/pain as well.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60921: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:53:23 PM

[nja]

edited 14th Jul '17 6:54:41 PM by VeryMelon

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#60922: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:54:01 PM

[up]

Which kind of runs into the Goten and Trunks problem people had decades ago — if Super Saiyan could only be activated through rage, then how did the two kiddies, who were born during peacetime, get it so quickly?

I think people are just annoyed at how easily SSJ is learned these days.

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#60923: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:54:29 PM

All it means is that Caulifla managed to tap into Super Saiyan her first time the same way everyone else taps into it every time after, judging by Cabba's words.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60924: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:54:37 PM

[up][up][up] Again Goten & Trunks didn't need the rage.

So its prolly not that maybe.

edited 14th Jul '17 6:54:57 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60925: Jul 14th 2017 at 6:54:38 PM

[up][up][up][up]Plz no, that's the subject that makes everything go to hell.

edited 14th Jul '17 6:55:00 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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