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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60826: Jul 12th 2017 at 9:23:31 PM

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You got it. If characters still fought with weapons (or in the case of almost everybody sans Goku and Yamcha, fought with weapons period), what do you think they would use?

edited 12th Jul '17 9:23:41 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#60827: Jul 12th 2017 at 9:25:06 PM

So if the Z-Fighter's were to say anything similar "Hey doesn't she look familiar?" or "Is that who I think it is?" to seeing Kale going berserk would be that be proof that Broly is kinda canon?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60828: Jul 12th 2017 at 9:27:16 PM

So....no comment on my question?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60829: Jul 12th 2017 at 9:34:08 PM

[up][up]I'd just take that as more of a nod than anything else. If they can't actually remember Broly, and it's just played as a vague "she seems familiar" bit for comedy, then I'd say the answer is no.

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#60831: Jul 12th 2017 at 9:48:45 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'll say no, but I'd really hate it if they did anyways.

edited 12th Jul '17 9:49:15 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60832: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:50:15 AM

In regards to just "looks" then it doesn't really matter what you use. There's a bunch of different systems for romanizing Japanese and they're all equally acceptable.

However, I'd say Kaiōken, Kaiouken, and Kaiohken are better than Kaioken and Kaio-ken because there's a difference in Japanese between お (o) and おう (ou) and not having that difference be displayed in some way is bad form to me.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60833: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:53:28 AM

Well how did Viz romanize it then; I never really read any of the chapters that had it in there.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60834: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:55:28 AM

Kaiōken.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60835: Jul 13th 2017 at 1:12:00 AM

Huh, well good on them then.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#60836: Jul 13th 2017 at 2:03:12 AM

As for how strong Vegeta was: Not nearly strong enough, considering how much stronger Goku was than him.

Goku was so far stronger because he was using Kaioken for most of the fight, and Kaioken is not a factor with Super Saiyan (hell, Super Saiyan Goku is "only" 2.5 times stronger than Kaioken 20x, Super Saiyan Vegeta would be 50 times stronger than whatever Vegeta is capable of pulling off).

Anyway, Vegeta was between Piccolo (even with 2nd form Freeza; about 1 million in terms of numbers) and Goku (3 million in base). If we put him at 2 million, he is a bit weaker than 100% Freeza, but we'd probably see something similar to Golden Freeza versus SSB Goku.

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#60837: Jul 13th 2017 at 2:14:33 AM

But didn't Goku used 50x Kaioken on Freiza and it failed to destroy him?

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#60839: Jul 13th 2017 at 2:35:33 AM

Okay.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60840: Jul 13th 2017 at 2:35:38 AM

20x. 50x is Super Saiyan.

Also, we know Goku's base during that fight was three million. While I don't think we know Vegeta's battle power, we do know that he was weaker in base since Goku was casually deflecting Freeza's Death Beams before their fight really started and that was something Vegeta couldn't do.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#60841: Jul 13th 2017 at 3:04:20 AM

Vegeta was weaker than Frieza but I wodner why despite getting a zenkai boost from his near death experience?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60842: Jul 13th 2017 at 3:08:51 AM

Krillin didn't kill him hard enough.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#60843: Jul 13th 2017 at 3:30:45 AM

Because "weaker than Freeza" is the norm rather than the exception.

zsmg Since: Jul, 2011
#60844: Jul 13th 2017 at 4:38:34 AM

Pretty sure Vegeta wouldn't need to demand they leave him behind, because they'd probably just leave him there. He was nothing more than an ally of convenience in the end. Also, I'm questioning if he'd really bother to learn Instant Transmission, though I do like the idea of him learning it.
Agreed on both accounts. Especially with the instant movement thing. I mean he has just achieved legendary super saiyan and he has beaten Freeza. Is he really going to spend a year, if not more, to learn a move or is he going on the biggest ego trip showing off his super saiyan form?

I also don't see Trunks existing in this timeline, or at least not born until much later compared to canon.

I get the feeling that Masakox is a bit too enslaved to canon with these what-ifs.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60845: Jul 13th 2017 at 6:27:58 AM

The argument that I had to step out of because I had math class: If anything, the ratio of unique/named attacks to generic ki blasts is MUCH higher in the (Ball/Z) manga than in the (Ball/Z) anime. The anime (aside from the movies) actually very RARELY had the characters repeat named or unique attacks, instead usually opting to just have them uselessly shoot a generic barrage of blasts.

Saiga isn't just wrong, he's saying the exact opposite of what's right.

Hah, no. That wasn't the argument I was making at all - I never once said, or implied, that anime's ratio of repeated-to-one-off techniques was higher than the mangas. I only said that Toei has a trend of repeating techniques that were only one-offs to the manga, and that the manga has more one-off techniques than it does recurring ones. That last part is just a comparison between two elements from the manga.

And I was including the movies because they're both produced by Toei during the same period as Z. Even without them, I can think of lots of recurring technique spam from the anime, mostly in the Cell & Boo arcs (the Makankosappo gets tossed around a lot, especially).

However, I'd say Kaiōken, Kaiouken, and Kaiohken are better than Kaioken and Kaio-ken because there's a difference in Japanese between お (o) and おう (ou) and not having that difference be displayed in some way is bad form to me.

What if I add the umlauts and such in my head

edited 13th Jul '17 6:28:28 AM by Saiga

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#60846: Jul 13th 2017 at 7:16:21 AM

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60847: Jul 13th 2017 at 7:21:08 AM

...I guess Frieza would get a power boost from it?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60848: Jul 13th 2017 at 7:28:26 AM

However, I'd say Kaiōken, Kaiouken, and Kaiohken are better than Kaioken and Kaio-ken because there's a difference in Japanese between お (o) and おう (ou) and not having that difference be displayed in some way is bad form to me.

That is true, but from what I've seen the Japanese themselves seem to prefer to not make that distinction when romanizing words. So if you're going by how they'd do it, Kaioken is probably the best. Then probably Kaiouken, and Kiaohken.

edited 13th Jul '17 7:28:52 AM by LSBK

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60849: Jul 13th 2017 at 7:53:51 AM

[up] The truth of that is rather complicated. Under Kunrei-shiki, which is used by the Japanese government and taught in schools, it'd be Kaiôken.

Under the Hepburn system, which is apparently the most widely used, it'd be... I'm not entirely sure because the Wikipedia article is confusing. Either Kaiōken or Kaiouken.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60850: Jul 13th 2017 at 7:55:23 AM

I wasn't talking about what's technically "correct", I was just mentioning what seems to be most common. I'm aware it's a tricky subject.

edited 13th Jul '17 7:56:19 AM by LSBK


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